Comments Thread For: Ngannou on Landing Fury Payday: It's Life Changing, Day and Night To What I Made in UFC

[Pigeons]

I wonder what happened to UFC. ESPN used to promote all their shows, big or small, front and center on ESPN and ESPN.com. now it's always buried. They didn't give in during any negotiations with their stars, so many guys retired or became inactive. Then they had the fixed fight thing where low level guys were betting on themselves to lose and then throwing fights. Don't they still have that antitrust litigation going on? MMA didn't die but it's changing now.

[Ry92]

Wasnt he offered $8 million to fight Jones?

Throwing numbers out the pay of 8m was only for the Jones fight max with ppv revenue ect included In such n none title or bones fights the pay would've went down drastically pfl deal is way better for him n his opps

[kafkod]

Wasnt he offered $8 million to fight Jones?

wouldnt have thought so

The highest guarantee in UFC history was $5m dollars for McGregor, obviously he made more through PPV after that.

Neither Ngannou or Jones have ever had a guaranteed purse of over £1m. So it's doubtful UFC was gonna start offering up a combined purse for both fighters of $10m-15m. They didn't guarantee half that for McGregor and Khabib combined in their fight.

I listened to an interview with Ngannou's manager. He didn't reveal how much Francis was getting for fighting Fury, but he said it was more than the total amount he'd earned in his career so far, and more than he would have made from the 3 fight deal UFC offered him.

[Idunnoshet]

I wonder what happened to UFC. ESPN used to promote all their shows, big or small, front and center on ESPN and ESPN.com. now it's always buried. They didn't give in during any negotiations with their stars, so many guys retired or became inactive. Then they had the fixed fight thing where low level guys were betting on themselves to lose and then throwing fights. Don't they still have that antitrust litigation going on? MMA didn't die but it's changing now.

Interesting.
Ididn't hear about the Fixed fight contraversy.

Do you have a link ?

[Willow The Wisp]

It a Great Fight! Get over it armchair critics!

Watching Tyson Fury beat the crap out of Francis Ngannou. How is that sooo much worse than watching Tyson Fury beat the crap out of Oleksandr Usyk or Anthony Joshua? None of them are going to beat Fury.

Now granted, the lifetime boxers have a much, much better shot at finding Fury’s weaknesses, but they'll get their chance next year (the Usyk fight to unify the belts, and Joshua for a cash out after Wilder liqufies him in another imperative match-up lining up).

People forget that Francis Ngannou IS A BOXER, NOTHING BUT A BOXER, whose lifelong dream has Always been to have a shot at becoming Heavyweight Champion of the World.

The popular but trashy and (Obviously) lower paying title of UFC champion was simply a stop along the way for him.

With crushing wins over Curtis Blaydes, Andrei Arlovski, Alistair Overeem, Cain Velasquez, Junior dos Santos and Stipe Miocic; he bosts the best win column in the history of MMAs big guys.
If Fury doesn't ruin him, he's destined to return to the UFC after this and smash up the smaller Jon Jones to surpass Fedor Emelianenko and clam G.O.A.T. status in that sport.

Now Fury and Ngannou could fight under hybrid rules, or under MMA rules as a twist; but as the one champion gives up his title in exchange for a shot at the other; the proof of the pecking order is provided.

Money talks and bull**** walks.
I hope peope are sharp enough to understand that.

Some would argue that the more open rules of MMA where sweeps, kicks, knees, elbows, backhands, thows, shoots, ground wrestling, chokes and submission holds make for a more "Real" fight; and that it is Fury who should be willing to go outside his comfort zone to prove himself under broader rules as a fighter; but the massive pay raise for Ngannou evidently disagrees with the relative VALUE of that!

It's about who should be chasing who for a bigger prize.

MMA is certainly more "Technique Inclusive" than Boxing, with Kickboxing in the middle, and wrestling/grappling residing in a paralell lane; but MMA is NOT a rules-Free "Real Fight" whereas, all that grappling puts one at very high risk for getting a major artery bitten into, or a pair of thumbs sunk deep into your eye sockets; a risk of close quarters that quite simply reverts the best approach right back to just knocking the other guy cold with a fast, accurate combination and walking away, IF you can do that, like a good boxer usually can.

Naturally, anything can happen in a fight and you're always better prepared for one if you possess ALL the tools, as a good MMA fighter does, but the upshot here is that all combat sports are just that.....sports.

Therefore, giving it the nessesary thought, its reality that pure Boxing is no less "real" than any other combat sport.
You just have fewer shortcuts available to you to secure the win.

This essentially scuttles the idea that more could be "Proven" by moving this fight to MMA rules.
Certainly, when that opportunity happened for 2-time UFC champion Tim Sylvia when he was matched with the 48 year old Ray Mercer, it didn't help the MMA champ one bit. A nine second Knockout for Grandpa Ray. Boxing won.

As a pure boxer who very, very quickly tacked on whatever else was needed for MMA training under Fernand Lopez at the MMA Factory, who then Dominated the entire MMA field, Francis Ngannou fully appreciates all of this, and so does Tyson Fury.

Francis Ngannou has shown what a pure boxer can do in MMA with just a little fine tuning.
Tyson Fury will now show the MMA fanbase how much further boxing skill and beauty can go.

The bigger, more meaningful fights WILL come.
For now, just enjoy this one.

[A_State501]

It a Great Fight! Get over it armchair critics!

Watching Tyson Fury beat the crap out of Francis Ngannou. How is that sooo much worse than watching Tyson Fury beat the crap out of Oleksandr Usyk or Anthony Joshua? None of them are going to beat Fury.

Now granted, the lifetime boxers have a much, much better shot at finding Fury’s weaknesses, but they'll get their chance next year (the Usyk fight to unify the belts, and Joshua for a cash out after Wilder liqufies him in another imperative match-up lining up).

People forget that Francis Ngannou IS A BOXER, NOTHING BUT A BOXER, whose lifelong dream has Always been to have a shot at becoming Heavyweight Champion of the World.

The popular but trashy and (Obviously) lower paying title of UFC champion was simply a stop along the way for him.

With crushing wins over Curtis Blaydes, Andrei Arlovski, Alistair Overeem, Cain Velasquez, Junior dos Santos and Stipe Miocic; he bosts the best win column in the history of MMAs big guys.
If Fury doesn't ruin him, he's destined to return to the UFC after this and smash up the smaller Jon Jones to surpass Fedor Emelianenko and clam G.O.A.T. status in that sport.

Now Fury and Ngannou could fight under hybrid rules, or under MMA rules as a twist; but as the one champion gives up his title in exchange for a shot at the other; the proof of the pecking order is provided.

Money talks and bull**** walks.
I hope peope are sharp enough to understand that.

Some would argue that the more open rules of MMA where sweeps, kicks, knees, elbows, backhands, thows, shoots, ground wrestling, chokes and submission holds make for a more "Real" fight; and that it is Fury who should be willing to go outside his comfort zone to prove himself under broader rules as a fighter; but the massive pay raise for Ngannou evidently disagrees with the relative VALUE of that!

It's about who should be chasing who for a bigger prize.

MMA is certainly more "Technique Inclusive" than Boxing, with Kickboxing in the middle, and wrestling/grappling residing in a paralell lane; but MMA is NOT a rules-Free "Real Fight" whereas, all that grappling puts one at very high risk for getting a major artery bitten into, or a pair of thumbs sunk deep into your eye sockets; a risk of close quarters that quite simply reverts the best approach right back to just knocking the other guy cold with a fast, accurate combination and walking away, IF you can do that, like a good boxer usually can.

Naturally, anything can happen in a fight and you're always better prepared for one if you possess ALL the tools, as a good MMA fighter does, but the upshot here is that all combat sports are just that.....sports.

Therefore, giving it the nessesary thought, its reality that pure Boxing is no less "real" than any other combat sport.
You just have fewer shortcuts available to you to secure the win.

This essentially scuttles the idea that more could be "Proven" by moving this fight to MMA rules.
Certainly, when that opportunity happened for 2-time UFC champion Tim Sylvia when he was matched with the 48 year old Ray Mercer, it didn't help the MMA champ one bit. A nine second Knockout for Grandpa Ray. Boxing won.

As a pure boxer who very, very quickly tacked on whatever else was needed for MMA training under Fernand Lopez at the MMA Factory, who then Dominated the entire MMA field, Francis Ngannou fully appreciates all of this, and so does Tyson Fury.

Francis Ngannou has shown what a pure boxer can do in MMA with just a little fine tuning.
Tyson Fury will now show the MMA fanbase how much further boxing skill and beauty can go.

The bigger, more meaningful fights WILL come.
For now, just enjoy this one.

Nothing about this is a great fight for boxing fans. Fury is an active champion. He should be fighting Usyk. The truth is that Fury has lost a step. He plods more now. Usyk would beat Fury no questions about but the crazy thing is Wilder would beat Usyk.

[Willow The Wisp]

Nothing about this is a great fight for boxing fans. Fury is an active champion. He should be fighting Usyk. The truth is that Fury has lost a step. He plods more now. Usyk would beat Fury no questions about but the crazy thing is Wilder would beat Usyk.

I guess the value of watching this fight, or any, is in the eye of the beholder. I'm going to watch it because I'm interested. It's fun.

Maybe Usyk beats Fury. Maybe Wilder beats Usyk, and maybe Joshua recaptures the status he earned before blowing it against Andy Ruiz!

Who ever for one moment thought that when Ali lured Big George Foreman out into deep water and drowned him in Zaire, that Foreman might come back TWENTY YEARS later and regain that very title wearing the very same trunks!
That's Crazy.

You just can't tell. That's why we watch this stuff.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Interesting.
Ididn't hear about the Fixed fight contraversy.

Do you have a link ?

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/...ore-sportsbook

There's a ton. Just Google "UFC betting controversy" or something similar. Not hard to find even if you missed it.

Fury isn't ever stepping into the Octagon for a real fight. I won't be surprised if he hangs it up after the Ngannou fight either, and we never see the Usyk fight. I think he knows he's going to have a tough time in that fight, which is why he quibbled and killed the fight over the split for the LOSER in the negotiations. Someone who thinks they're going to win isn't going to turn down 70 in both fights.

[A_State501]

I guess the value of watching this fight, or any, is in the eye of the beholder. I'm going to watch it because I'm interested. It's fun.

Maybe Usyk beats Fury. Maybe Wilder beats Usyk, and maybe Joshua recaptures the status he earned before blowing it against Andy Ruiz!

Who ever for one moment thought that when Ali lured Big George Foreman out into deep water and drowned him in Zaire, that Foreman might come back TWENTY YEARS later and regain that very title wearing the very same trunks!
That's Crazy.

You just can't tell. That's why we watch this stuff.

You probably like watching overmatched teams in any sport getting their teeth kicked in. Trash fight and fans deserve better. Happy Francis got paid that's about it.

[Scooby817]

I'm happy for Ngannou. Not so happy for Fury. I am not buying this rubbish of a "fight". Fury quickly became a disappointment in my eyes and will not purchase his fights until he fights more than once yearly and against credible opponents.