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  • Superbee
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    #21
    Originally posted by Toffee
    If he could have drawn Usyk into standing and trading he might have stood a better chance.

    Horses for courses.

    And you think Usyk would would have fallen for that ? Really ? AJ would have been painted if he did that... Usyk is far more agile and would just find more angles... Worst game plan for AJ ... It's like Canelo/Bivol... Canelo would make 2000 game plans none would work because, you know, better Skills, better Fighter ... That's Darwinism for you...

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      #22
      Originally posted by Superbee


      And you think Usyk would would have fallen for that ? Really ? AJ would have been painted if he did that... Usyk is far more agile and would just find more angles... Worst game plan for AJ ... It's like Canelo/Bivol... Canelo would make 2000 game plans none would work because, you know, better Skills, better Fighter ... That's Darwinism for you...
      If he could. Usyk finds answers - and that's not a strength of Joshua's.

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      • Toffee
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        #23
        Originally posted by _Rexy_

        So he can dance around the 40% bodyfat guy, but he can't around guys who are boxers?


        that sounds worse TBH
        Not 'boxers', Usyk. There's no shame in being outboxed by Usyk. There might be shame in trying it.

        No-one is going to outbox Usyk at heavyweight.

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        • TMLT87
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          #24
          Originally posted by Toffee

          The issue isn't that he can't stand and trade, or that he can't move and box.

          It's that he stood and traded with the wrong guy. Then he moved and boxed against the wrong guy.

          When he moved and boxed against Ruiz he could absolutely do it.

          If he could have drawn Usyk into standing and trading he might have stood a better chance.

          Horses for courses.
          I think Usyk was pretty much an insurmountable challenge for AJ tbh, Hes just too good - quicker, more mobile, more durable, better gas tank and even though hes not a big puncher he had enough to hurt AJ with. So it was pretty much try to box and lose on the scorecards or try to be aggressive, gas yourself out and still lose, possibly by stoppage.

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            #25
            Originally posted by _Rexy_

            So he can dance around the 40% bodyfat guy, but he can't around guys who are boxers?
            or

            that sounds worse TBH
            Outside of Fury & Usyk, Joshua is the most proven capable pure boxer in the Heavyweight division.

            It has been very difficult during his career, for Joshua's opponents to take rounds off him consistently.

            Really only Kiltschko, Usyk and Ruiz Junior in their first fight were able to make Joshua drop rounds 'But Joshua beat Ruiz Junior pretty much 12-0 in their rematch' etc.


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              #26
              Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

              Outside of Fury & Usyk, Joshua is the most proven capable pure boxer in the Heavyweight division.

              It has been very difficult during his career, for Joshua's opponents to take rounds off him consistently.

              Really only Kiltschko, Usyk and Ruiz Junior in their first fight were able to make Joshua drop rounds 'But Joshua beat Ruiz Junior pretty much 12-0 in their rematch' etc.

              Based on what???

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              • PRINCEKOOL
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                #27
                Originally posted by _Rexy_

                Based on what???
                Based on the statistics mate, and the fact that he has fought the most World level fighters at Heavyweight 'Then the other Top-3 Heavyweights'.

                How many rounds did Povetkin win? How many rounds did Parker win? How many rounds did Taken win? How many rounds did Pulev win?

                How many rounds did Martin win? How many rounds in the rematch did Ruiz Junior win? How many rounds did Franklin win in his last fight?

                Do you see the pattern here mate, it is difficult for the large majority of Heavyweights to win rounds vs Joshua consistently.

                Anthony Joshua is the most proven pure boxer outside of Fury & Usyk at Heavyweight.

                Note: I would also like to mention that Anthony Joshua is a Olympic Champion 'That is what my view points and opinions are based on'.

                What are your based on? Quote me, and tell me what your objectives to what I say is based on?

                Joshua also fought Usyk at his own game, and made the fight competitive twice 'The second being his best effort'. This once again proves that Joshua is a very capable boxer etc.

                Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 07-14-2023, 02:38 PM.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

                  Based on the statistics mate, and the fact that he has fought the most World level fighters at Heavyweight 'Then the other Top-3 Heavyweights'.

                  How many rounds did Povetkin win? How many rounds did Parker win? How many rounds did Taken win? How many rounds did Pulev win?

                  How many rounds did Martin win? How many rounds in the rematch did Ruiz Junior win? How many rounds did Franklin win in his last fight?

                  Do you see the pattern here mate, it is difficult for the large majority of Heavyweights to win rounds vs Joshua consistently.

                  Anthony Joshua is the most proven pure boxer outside of Fury & Usyk at Heavyweight.

                  Note: I would also like to mention that Anthony Joshua is a Olympic Champion 'That is what my view points and opinions are based on'.

                  What are your based on? Quote me, and tell me what your objectives to what I say is based on?

                  Joshua also fought Usyk at his own game, and made the fight competitive twice 'The second being his best effort'. This once again proves that Joshua is a very capable boxer etc.
                  Yeah. I see the pattern.

                  How has Pulev done after the AJ fight? 1-1 (loss to Derek Chisora) and retired.
                  How has Povetkin done since the AJ Fight? 2-1-1 (most onlookers thought he lost the draw) and retired.
                  How has Takam done since the AJ fight? 3-2 likely retiring
                  How has Parker done since the AJ fight? 8-2 (Record doesn't look bad until you look at the names of those 8 wins)
                  How has Martin done since the AJ fight? 6-3-1


                  Do YOU See a pattern?

                  Props on winning most of the rounds against Franklin though. It's almost as if he was picked for the sole purpose of making AJ look good (which didn't happen)

                  I wouldn't brag about the Olympic gold either. It just implies you didn't watch the Olympics.


                  I'll admit though, saying "he was competitive! second was his best effort!!" Is just a typical British thing.

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                  • PRINCEKOOL
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by _Rexy_

                    Yeah. I see the pattern.

                    How has Pulev done after the AJ fight? 1-1 (loss to Derek Chisora) and retired.
                    How has Povetkin done since the AJ Fight? 2-1-1 (most onlookers thought he lost the draw) and retired.
                    How has Takam done since the AJ fight? 3-2 likely retiring
                    How has Parker done since the AJ fight? 8-2 (Record doesn't look bad until you look at the names of those 8 wins)
                    How has Martin done since the AJ fight? 6-3-1


                    Do YOU See a pattern?

                    Props on winning most of the rounds against Franklin though. It's almost as if he was picked for the sole purpose of making AJ look good (which didn't happen)

                    I wouldn't brag about the Olympic gold either. It just implies you didn't watch the Olympics.


                    I'll admit though, saying "he was competitive! second was his best effort!!" Is just a typical British thing.
                    .

                    It is irrelevant what a fighter does after fighting Joshua, that does not erase what they have achieved or their standing when they actually fought Joshua.

                    So that point you are making, which you think is really some sort of great discovery is 100% useless mate.

                    I watched the Olympic's, Joshua won the Olympic Gold Medal.

                    So Joshua achieved the pinnacle as a Amateur boxer, while Tyson Fury got beaten by David Price.

                    Anthony Joshua is the most proven pure boxer in the Heavyweight Division outside of Fury & Usyk, I have posted the evidence and feats of achievement which prove this 'You have not disproved anything mate'.

                    Note: Pulev was semi-retired at the time when he fought Chisora, infact both fighters were semi-retired 'Chisora has been semi-retired for quite sometime now' etc.

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