Comments Thread For: Usyk Promoter Calls for Fury to Be Stripped of WBC Title Ahead of Rumored Ngannou Exhibition

[bullydean]

So after that long list of coincidences that cost Fury big fights... you're still sticking with the 'it was everyone or everything but Fury's fault' line.

It's not just coincidence. It's Fury!

What big fights did he lose? The only one that got away was AJ due to Wilder stopping the first attempt and the second attempt was ended by Hearn after AJ easily lost twice against Usyk. Hearn already stated he cut negotiations because they needed to build AJ back up after AJ was mentally diminished from his loses.

You can't pin undisputed solely on Fury because Usyk placed ridiculous conditions on the rematch.

[crimsonfalcon07]

You can't pin undisputed solely on Fury because Usyk placed ridiculous conditions on the rematch.

You're about as delusional as your hero.

A 30% split to the undefeated unified champion, who's also an Olympic gold medalist and undisputed champion isn't ridiculous, and neither is asking for the loser to get 20% more than that split, but somehow asking for the undefeated, and first undisputed heavyweight champion of the world to get 70% in a rematch against a defeated contender is ridiculous? Especially if that champion is potentially the first double undisputed champion in the four belt era, and overcame a massive size differential?

Changing your mind about your own rematch clause isn't ridiculous, but asking for the contract to be the same as originally sent is?

Asking for so much money that Usyk could fight for free, and even the Saudis would still lose money on the fight isn't ridiculous, but taking a 30% split is?

All the ridiculous demands have come from Fury. Every one of his opponents, including AJ, who's lost that fight several times, have run into the same thing. He even stuck Chisora with a gagging clause preventing him from talking about the other aspects of their contract.

Just wow. You probably believe him every time he says he's retired too. And you're defending a PED cheat too.

[KP1]

How in the name of **** is 70/30 to the WINNER in the rematch unreasonable, the only reason someone would have a problem with that is if they aren’t confident of winning.

No other explanation makes any sense, if Fury was as confident as he claimed he would just have battered the scared MW for more money.

[bullydean]

You're about as delusional as your hero.

A 30% split to the undefeated unified champion, who's also an Olympic gold medalist and undisputed champion isn't ridiculous, and neither is asking for the loser to get 20% more than that split, but somehow asking for the undefeated, and first undisputed heavyweight champion of the world to get 70% in a rematch against a defeated contender is ridiculous? Especially if that champion is potentially the first double undisputed champion in the four belt era, and overcame a massive size differential?

Changing your mind about your own rematch clause isn't ridiculous, but asking for the contract to be the same as originally sent is?

Asking for so much money that Usyk could fight for free, and even the Saudis would still lose money on the fight isn't ridiculous, but taking a 30% split is?

All the ridiculous demands have come from Fury. Every one of his opponents, including AJ, who's lost that fight several times, have run into the same thing. He even stuck Chisora with a gagging clause preventing him from talking about the other aspects of their contract.

Just wow. You probably believe him every time he says he's retired too. And you're defending a PED cheat too.

Nobody does deals like that. Not guaranteeing someones paycheck will end any negotiations.

70% for the winner sounds reasonable but from a business perspective it's a crap deal.

There's a reason why fans say it's a good deal but the actual fighters or promoters never do it.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Nobody does deals like that. Not guaranteeing someones paycheck will end any negotiations.

70% for the winner sounds reasonable but from a business perspective it's a crap deal.

There's a reason why fans say it's a good deal but the actual fighters or promoters never do it.

And yet Usyk agreed to 30 for the first fight. Good business is getting yourself 70 in both fights. Being a loser is whining about getting more money for the loser of the first fight. There's just no hope for you.

[bullydean]

And yet Usyk agreed to 30 for the first fight. Good business is getting yourself 70 in both fights. Being a loser is whining about getting more money for the loser of the first fight. There's just no hope for you.

Good business is getting a guaranteed paycheck buddy.
Win or lose Fury would get 70% and 50%.
Usyk would get 30% and 50% as well.

If Fury accepted 70% for the winner in the rematch then he would risk losing 20% of his paycheck.

Why would Fury risk 20% of a paycheck. It's a big risk and risk aren't good for business .
Also like I said before. NOBODY does those types of deals because they aren't realistic. Only a fool would take that deal and only an idiot would believe it's a genuine offer.

There's no hope for you.

[Toffee]

What big fights did he lose? The only one that got away was AJ due to Wilder stopping the first attempt and the second attempt was ended by Hearn after AJ easily lost twice against Usyk. Hearn already stated he cut negotiations because they needed to build AJ back up after AJ was mentally diminished from his loses.

You can't pin undisputed solely on Fury because Usyk placed ridiculous conditions on the rematch.

Klitschko rematch? Who do we blame that one on? Certainly not on Wlad.

Since then he has a very predictable habit of trying to (or looking like he's trying to) make fights that don't get made due to some kind of other circumstances.

You ask which fights fell through... you should be asking who he has fought outside of challenging for a belt or being forced.

Go and read Warren's comments before Fury fought Schwarz, Wallin and Chisora. They're exactly the same as the Ngannou comments. "We tried to make fights with X, Y and Z, but they didn't want it".

How does that excuse the fights that he did make? He could have fought better challengers than Chisora and Ngannou.

As for the Usyk fight... 70/30 was an insult for a 3 belt champion but Usyk took it. You can't expect him to then be on anything but the bigger split in the event that he went into a rematch as a voluntary defence of the Undisputed Championship against a challenger with no titles.

[bullydean]

Klitschko rematch? Who do we blame that one on? Certainly not on Wlad.

Since then he has a very predictable habit of trying to (or looking like he's trying to) make fights that don't get made due to some kind of other circumstances.

You ask which fights fell through... you should be asking who he has fought outside of challenging for a belt or being forced.

Go and read Warren's comments before Fury fought Schwarz, Wallin and Chisora. They're exactly the same as the Ngannou comments. "We tried to make fights with X, Y and Z, but they didn't want it".

How does that excuse the fights that he did make? He could have fought better challengers than Chisora and Ngannou.

As for the Usyk fight... 70/30 was an insult for a 3 belt champion but Usyk took it. You can't expect him to then be on anything but the bigger split in the event that he went into a rematch as a voluntary defence of the Undisputed Championship against a challenger with no titles.

You didn't answer my question.

We know why the Klitschko fight didn't happen. It was a legitimate reason whether you like or not.
Once again Fury hasn't lost any big fights that are his fault.

Who cares if Fury insulted Usyk? Fury is the bigger draw and that alone earns him 50/50 in the rematch.
Usyk took less than 50% in the rematch against AJ because he knew AJ was the bigger draw regardless of who had the belts.

That's the reason why Usyk sold out to the Saudi's. He isn't a big draw and needs the Saudi's to cover the losses and sign his check. That's also the reason why Usyk is lashing out at the Fury vs Francis fight.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Good business is getting a guaranteed paycheck buddy.
Win or lose Fury would get 70% and 50%.
Usyk would get 30% and 50% as well.

If Fury accepted 70% for the winner in the rematch then he would risk losing 20% of his paycheck.

Why would Fury risk 20% of a paycheck. It's a big risk and risk aren't good for business .
Also like I said before. NOBODY does those types of deals because they aren't realistic. Only a fool would take that deal and only an idiot would believe it's a genuine offer.

There's no hope for you.

Your math is predicated entirely on him giving up 20% guaranteed in case he loses. It's flat out loser's mentality. Risking 20 to gain 20 is easy. He's already guaranteed to break even at minimum.

Nobody takes those deals? That's literally demonstrably false. The guy that made the offer was risking getting only 30 and 30. He didn't think it was a risk because he's willing to bet on himself. Like a champion. Usyk is betting on winning. Fury is trying to cover his butt if he loses. Yet you think the guy willing to bet on himself winning, and risking getting only 30 in both fights, is somehow the one ducking. What a clown. I'm done with you.

And being a PED cheat is in no way a legitimate reason to duck a rematch.

[bullydean]

Your math is predicated entirely on him giving up 20% guaranteed in case he loses. It's flat out loser's mentality. Risking 20 to gain 20 is easy. He's already guaranteed to break even at minimum.

Nobody takes those deals? That's literally demonstrably false. The guy that made the offer was risking getting only 30 and 30. He didn't think it was a risk because he's willing to bet on himself. Like a champion. Usyk is betting on winning. Fury is trying to cover his butt if he loses. Yet you think the guy willing to bet on himself winning, and risking getting only 30 in both fights, is somehow the one ducking. What a clown. I'm done with you.

And being a PED cheat is in no way a legitimate reason to duck a rematch.

You have the biggest fanboy mentality. Those deals aren't realistic. Tell me 20 fights in the last decade where top fighters made deals like this.

Simply put, you can't because nobody is going to risk 20% of their purse. Fury would not break even he would lose 20% if he loses. 50/50 guarentees a massive paycheck for both.

Also Usyk didn't accept 70/30 which is why he added more stipulations to the fight rather than accept the deal.

The rematch didn't happen because Fury was a crackhead. The ban didn't happen until later. It doesn't really matter when Fury was vindicated and his no contest was returned to a Win. B sample was clean but the only consistent thing in his blood was *******.