Let's Face Facts, Manny Pacquiao = The Most Overrated Fighter Of The 21st Century

[street bully]

You can level exactly the same kind of accusations at almost any fighter.

Hopkins: Did nothing until defeating Tito

Calzaghe: Did nothing until fighting Lacy.

Hagler: WTF was he doing fighting a guy with 37 losses in his 45th pro fight? Now imagine the kind of **** Calzaghe would have gotten for that!

... And so on.

The guy with 30 losses who Pacquiao fought, John Medina? Yeah, sure, but Manny had only been pro for a year at the time! Every fighter fights journeymen on the way up. Compare that with Hagler fighting a guy with more losses in his 45th fight and it doesn't look that bad.

Hopkins unified the IBF and WBC titles, and beat every top 5 ranked MW and defended his title 12 times before Tito.

[Kalion]

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only sasakul has the legit belt which is lineal flyweight & wbc flyweight




no one says their great fighters





so what? Is it his fault he's not american? Did floyd fought outside us on his 1st 20 fights? Dumb question right?





Before he fought barrera he's been wbc flyweight/lineal champ & ibf
super bantam champ, saying he's done nothin before mab is plain ignorance

So you're saying the first two belts were'nt legit right?

I don't know what Floyd has to do with PACs career but ill argue the point anyway. I'm pretty sure we can both agree the competition grounds in the us are harder than those in the pacific? If you want we can take a look both of their careers and compare them from the first 3 titles backwards and see who won what from who.

And you agreed that his first 2 belts were not worth mentioning, well how is it ignorance to say he had'nt done much before MAB if he only won 3 belts(2 of which you've already discredited) against local opponents none of which are of common or memorable name?

[baracuda]

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So you're saying the first two belts were'nt legit right?

I don't know what Floyd has to do with PACs career but ill argue the point anyway. I'm pretty sure we can both agree the competition grounds in the us are harder than those in the pacific? If you want we can take a look both of their careers and compare them from the first 3 titles backwards and see who won what from who.

And you agreed that his first 2 belts were not worth mentioning, well how is it ignorance to say he had'nt done much before MAB if he only won 3 belts(2 of which you've already discredited) against local opponents none of which are of common or memorable name?

floyd=ali funeka outside the US...lol

[Kalion]

Who is comparing careers? No one. What I said was you can level accusations at every fighter. Any resume can be criticized.

Joe was also a champion for almost 10 years before fighting Lacy. He defeated Eubank in 1997 and fought Lacy in 2006.

Ans please, let's have an adult conversation instead of referring to Calzaghe as 'Calslappy'. That's just childish, whether you like Joe Calzaghe or not and I feel like I'm wasting my time talking to a ****ing idiot. No offense.

You seem like a diehard Calzaghe fan and I really dont care for him to much as a fighter so I digress on the topic.

But as far Boxing being a world wide sport, you are absolutely correct. Im sure theyre people boxing in every corner of the globe today. Just the same as people are playing basketball,baseball,and even football now in every corner. But you would be dumb to say that the competition grounds in the US are less competetive than any other country. So although Floyd didnt go fight in europe or the pacific, its safe to safe the competetition here was equally as hard and most likely harder than anywhere else to start your career.

[miron_lang]

Well he won his first three belts against these three men:

Chokchai Chockvivat
Chatchai Sasakul
Reynante Jamili

But im pretty sure youre willing to argue those were all great fighters even though only one has fought in america and the other two hardly ever fought outside of thier respective country and never left the pacific.

Over his first 35 fights PAC faced oppisition with a record of:

446-185-44

None of these fights except 1 were outside the philipines btw.

This is his career before Barrera.

I think he gets to much credit for anything he has done before Barerra, please explain how im wrong.

Chocviat is CLASS A Regional Champion. You can question me on this if you have seen the fight. 17 yr Old Pacquiao is facing a TOUGH Regional Champion. in FACT Chocviat was bullying PAC inside the ring You can see the diffrence in size a Man fighting a boy. Pac is being hurt in the body in this fight and he was backpedalling almost 80% of the time. However PAC's punching power saved him.


Chatchai Sasakul - A thai Legend he was in total control before the big left put him out. A lineal champion.

Jamili - Pac's common opponent with Erik. Pac kayoed him in less rounds.


I dont think Pac is getting too much credit here. After Barrera he was able to

Juan Manuel Marquez D
Erik Morales L
Erik Morales KO
Erik Morales KO
Oscar Larios UD
Marco Antoni Barrera UD
Juan Manuel Marquez SD
David Diaz KO
Oscar Delahoya TKO
Ricky Hatton KO


That list is incomparable in the last 20 yrs and the manner he executed this deserves more recognition. You can put a list of Bhop or RJJ and compare it. its not even up for argument.

At the time Pacquiao was fighting Juan Manuel Marquez the 1st time at 125 at the weigh in. Miguel Cotto is tangling with Lovemore Ndou for a Jr. Welterweight Bout. Thats a difference of 3 division.


Now he is fighting the same Cotto. A p4p fighter that is Younger and Bigger than him.

[baracuda]

You seem like a diehard Calzaghe fan and I really dont care for him to much as a fighter so I digress on the topic.

But as far Boxing being a world wide sport, you are absolutely correct. Im sure theyre people boxing in every corner of the globe today. Just the same as people are playing basketball,baseball,and even football now in every corner. But you would be dumb to say that the competition grounds in the US are less competetive than any other country. So although Floyd didnt go fight in europe or the pacific, its safe to safe the competetition here was equally as hard and most likely harder than anywhere else to start your career.

wrong....most of the most overrated and overhyped fighters come the US..........

[Kalion]

Chocviat is CLASS A Regional Champion. You can question me on this if you have seen the fight. 17 yr Old Pacquiao is facing a TOUGH Regional Champion. in FACT Chocviat was bullying PAC inside the ring You can see the diffrence in size a Man fighting a boy. Pac is being hurt in the body in this fight and he was backpedalling almost 80% of the time. However PAC's punching power saved him.


Chatchai Sasakul - A thai Legend he was in total control before the big left put him out. A lineal champion.

Jamili - Pac's common opponent with Erik. Pac kayoed him in less rounds.


I dont think Pac is getting too much credit here. After Barrera he was able to

Juan Manuel Marquez D
Erik Morales L
Erik Morales KO
Erik Morales KO
Oscar Larios UD
Marco Antoni Barrera UD
Juan Manuel Marquez SD
David Diaz KO
Oscar Delahoya TKO
Ricky Hatton KO


That list is incomparable in the last 20 yrs and the manner he executed this deserves more recognition. You can put a list of Bhop or RJJ and compare it. its not even up for argument.

At the time Pacquiao was fighting Juan Manuel Marquez the 1st time at 125 at the weigh in. Miguel Cotto is tangling with Lovemore Ndou for a Jr. Welterweight Bout. Thats a difference of 3 division.


Now he is fighting the same Cotto. A p4p fighter that is Younger and Bigger than him.

Interesting, but being a local legend in a country not known for boxing or being a KO'd by a common oponent really boils down to nothing and dosent change the fact I think these wins are overrated.

As far as the rest of his careers goes... since you brought it up. How many fighters from MAB on did PAC soundly beat in their prime?






Well my argument was about his career PRE-MAB.

[Kalion]

wrong....most of the most overrated and overhyped fighters come the US..........

Where did i say that they didnt? And even if it was true, where did/does most of the ATG or great fighters come from? Let me guess, the Pacific and Europe?

[brown mamba]

what current boxer has fought better competition with equal or better results? beating the people he has beaten in entertaining fashion is no easy feat my friend. it takes skills to do that. thats why no one in boxing aint doin it like he does.

[baracuda]

Where did i say that they didnt? And even if it was true, where did/does most of the ATG or great fighters come from? Let me guess, the Pacific and Europe?

your question is the answer exactly....whoever's got the biggest guns,gives the decisions that matter....nah mean?.....or maybe not!