Let's Face Facts, Manny Pacquiao = The Most Overrated Fighter Of The 21st Century

[MaD RoBoT]

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So you're saying the first two belts were'nt legit right?

I don't know what Floyd has to do with PACs career but ill argue the point anyway. I'm pretty sure we can both agree the competition grounds in the us are harder than those in the pacific? If you want we can take a look both of their careers and compare them from the first 3 titles backwards and see who won what from who.

And you agreed that his first 2 belts were not worth mentioning, well how is it ignorance to say he had'nt done much before MAB if he only won 3 belts(2 of which you've already discredited) against local opponents none of which are of common or memorable name?

let me tell you again

before Barrera, Pac won the WBC flyweight (lineal) on THAILAND & IBF super
bantam on US (HBO televised)

[PoetryInMotion]

It's no secret that Pac is an entertaining fighter to watch and he deserves credit for a couple of good wins that he has in his career. But realistically, this guy doesnt belong anywhere near the top of the P4P list and i think the reason he's so keen on retiring soon is because he knows he's been lucky in his past few fights (the decision going to him when Pee pee mouth Marquez clearly beat him and the fact that Oscar gave the fight to him on a silver platter by coming in extremely drained) and he wants to hang up the gloves while he's still at the top so he can pursue other opportunities and enjoy being looked at as a god in the Phillipennes.

Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach and that old crook Bob Arum (aka Manny's decision makers) understand this, and that's why they wanna shield him from Mayweather at all costs so they can continue the illusion that he's on Floyd's level without ever having to prove it. Like i'v stated in the past, after the Cotto fight (if Pac wins and that's a big if) you're gonna hear Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach make up some story about how Floyd was being difficult with the negotiations asking for too much money, and that's the reason why the fight fell through. A cheap excuse to rob the fans of the fight Boxing desperately needs that you can already see Freddie and Arum setting up in their more recent interviews.

Bottom line, Manny "I have other people make my decisions for me" Pacquiao doesnt even break the top 5 in terms of skill and ring intelligence which is why Manny's decision makers will never let him fight Mayweather or Mosley. There are plenty of other fighters who deserve to be ranked higher then Manny in the P4P list, and the fact that you all bought into that no soul having crook Bob Arum's empty claims and the HBO hype machine to allow Manny to have that top spot is a slap in the face to boxing and all the fighters who are more deserving. I can't wait to watch Pacs fans world come crumbling down after Cotto exposes him.

[MaD RoBoT]

dude. if you are talking about Hatton and DLH. floyd left them soul less.

pacs defeat over them means nothing.

majority of floyds fightshavebeen against guys bigger than him

and hes outclassed them so much that when the fight is said and done. they say Floyd needs to challenges himself more....no, there is just no one on his level who presents a challenge. even Paul Williams will lose to floyd

b/c pac isnt able to outclass his opponents due to of his LACK of talent level, doesnt make him look like a better fighter.

the same clowns hating on floyd are the same ones who wouldnt put their money on Pac to beat floyd if they fight.

and thats point blank period. they will not put their money on Pac b/c they kknow he CANT beat floyd

pac is overated

you sound like Floyd Sr

if Pac has lack of talent, how come he dispersed BOTH their common opponents much quicker?

if Pac's win over them are nothin, so does Floyd's win over JMM

point blank period

[tesla_power]

It's no secret that Pac is an entertaining fighter to watch and he deserves credit for a couple of good wins that he has in his career. But realistically, this guy doesnt belong anywhere near the top of the P4P list and i think the reason he's so keen on retiring soon is because he knows he's been lucky in his past few fights (the decision going to him when Pee pee mouth Marquez clearly beat him and the fact that Oscar gave the fight to him on a silver platter by coming in extremely drained) and he wants to hang up the gloves while he's still at the top so he can pursue other opportunities and enjoy being looked at as a god in the Phillipennes.

Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach and that old crook Bob Arum (aka Manny's decision makers) understand this, and that's why they wanna shield him from Mayweather at all costs so they can continue the illusion that he's on Floyd's level without ever having to prove it. Like i'v stated in the past, after the Cotto fight (if Pac wins and that's a big if) you're gonna hear Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach make up some story about how Floyd was being difficult with the negotiations asking for too much money, and that's the reason why the fight fell through. A cheap excuse to rob the fans of the fight Boxing desperately needs that you can already see Freddie and Arum setting up in their more recent interviews.

Bottom line, Manny "I have other people make my decisions for me" Pacquiao doesnt even break the top 5 in terms of skill and ring intelligence which is why Manny's decision makers will never let him fight Mayweather or Mosley. There are plenty of other fighters who deserve to be ranked higher then Manny in the P4P list, and the fact that you all bought into that no soul having crook Bob Arum's empty claims and the HBO hype machine to allow Manny to have that top spot is a slap in the face to boxing and all the fighters who are more deserving. I can't wait to watch Pacs fans world come crumbling down after Cotto exposes him.

P4P is not based on skills alone... Body of Work and Level of Opposition is also considered. Calderon might give Floyd the run for his money as best boxer. Would you still rank Floyd if he continues picking on fights on which he has huge advantage? I would guess yes.

I saw some of your posts.

In terms of legacy, Pac KO win over Sasakul is greater than PBF win over Baldomir. This is not that highlighted in his career simply because Sasakul in not known. It was a fight that Pac was losing until he got in a huge left that threw out the senses of Sasakul.

[blaze778]

It's funny how people never gave Pac a chance against De la Hoya and even Hatton, but when he defeated both guys in dominant fashion, people turn around and say Pac is overrated and got lucky. It's not Pac's fault that these victoried came easy. He took a risk signing the contract, despite how effortless his performances seem.

The same thing happened throughout the careers of Roy Jones Jr. and Tyson. Jones humiliated top contenders, only to have critics and fans say he never faced top competition. Just like Pac, it wasn't his fault that he was too damn good for his opponents.

Tyson destroyed top contenders and former champions. He faced the best at his prime and it was a shame he had to go to prison for four years. Since he was so dominant in his fights, people write off his opponents as bums. My point is if Jones, Tyson, and Pacquiao struggled more in their respective fights, critics and fans would give them a lot more credit than they receive nowadays.

[Leakbeak]

Where does that put your hero then? He claims to be better than Ali and SRL, when he isn't even good enough to clean RJJ's boots. I'm not anti-Mayweather, but people with glass houses shouldn't throw stones. PBF and Pacman are overratred in equal parity

[sycomantz]

you sound like Floyd Sr

if Pac has lack of talent, how come he dispersed BOTH their common opponents much quicker?

if Pac's win over them are nothin, so does Floyd's win over JMM

point blank period

he lacks talent in that, while he looks to be in battles with other guys who present a problem for him

FLoyd is Levels above everyone. and people always say the fight was to easy for floyd once the fight is done.

So Pac lacks the talent to totally out class people like floyd

[baracuda]

he lacks talent in that, while he looks to be in battles with other guys who present a problem for him

FLoyd is Levels above everyone. and people always say the fight was to easy for floyd once the fight is done.

So Pac lacks the talent to totally out class people like floyd

floyd's offense=derrick gainer........nothing special!

[S A M U R A I]

LOL at this ****. I bet none of you guys saying Pacquiao has no talent have absolutely no talent in anything you do.



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[PAC-BOY]

It's no secret that Pac is an entertaining fighter to watch and he deserves credit for a couple of good wins that he has in his career. But realistically, this guy doesnt belong anywhere near the top of the P4P list and i think the reason he's so keen on retiring soon is because he knows he's been lucky in his past few fights (the decision going to him when Pee pee mouth Marquez clearly beat him and the fact that Oscar gave the fight to him on a silver platter by coming in extremely drained) and he wants to hang up the gloves while he's still at the top so he can pursue other opportunities and enjoy being looked at as a god in the Phillipennes.

Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach and that old crook Bob Arum (aka Manny's decision makers) understand this, and that's why they wanna shield him from Mayweather at all costs so they can continue the illusion that he's on Floyd's level without ever having to prove it. Like i'v stated in the past, after the Cotto fight (if Pac wins and that's a big if) you're gonna hear Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach make up some story about how Floyd was being difficult with the negotiations asking for too much money, and that's the reason why the fight fell through. A cheap excuse to rob the fans of the fight Boxing desperately needs that you can already see Freddie and Arum setting up in their more recent interviews.

Bottom line, Manny "I have other people make my decisions for me" Pacquiao doesnt even break the top 5 in terms of skill and ring intelligence which is why Manny's decision makers will never let him fight Mayweather or Mosley. There are plenty of other fighters who deserve to be ranked higher then Manny in the P4P list, and the fact that you all bought into that no soul having crook Bob Arum's empty claims and the HBO hype machine to allow Manny to have that top spot is a slap in the face to boxing and all the fighters who are more deserving. I can't wait to watch Pacs fans world come crumbling down after Cotto exposes him.

Did anyone even read anything this idiot poster typed up? It figures a Mayweather fan would think Pacquiao is overrated and wishes Cotto beats him. Its the fear speaking. Knowing If Cotto loses to Pacquiao Mayweather will be the next victim. If He dont duck Pac.