Did Joshua really lose the Usyk rematch?

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  • Rys
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    #41
    Originally posted by buddyr

    He blew his load in the 9th. He had him. He was beating Usyk around the ring and it was all downhill from the 10th on.
    I don't understand how anyone can say that and make it sound like Joshua was on the brink of winning but somehow let Usyk make a lucky escape. It is widely known that the 9th round was all part of the game plan of Team Usyk. They knew that Joshua sooner or later would come at him like that and they wanted him to do so. They wanted him to punch himself out and Usk was fully prepared to weather the storm. Heck, they even predicted it would happen around round 8 or 9. If you watch the 9th in slow motion, you can see that Joshua barely lands anything clean as Usyk blocks or rolls with the majority of the punches. He was never hurt, he was never in serious trouble. It looked more serious when it happened live because of the heat of the moment and the commentators shouting etc. But when you watch it back, especially in slow motion and knowing how the championship rounds panned out it is clear how it was all calculated from Team Usyk. I have it on good authority that Usyk's corner was heard after the 9th saying "Okay, so it happened as we predicted - now crank the heat up, this is it" in Ukrainian.
    Last edited by Rys; 06-22-2023, 06:30 PM.

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      #42
      Originally posted by _Rexy_

      Agreed. I’ve said this for a while, and there’s always ONE bad card it seems

      that being said, really makes you wonder about three judges scoring Bivol/Canelo 7-5
      Boxing needs to join the rest of us in the present century. Tech is out there begging to be used.

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        #43
        Originally posted by BodyBagz

        Boxing needs to join the rest of us in the present century. Tech is out there begging to be used.
        Utilize it property though. You can't have Robert Byrd doing instant replay for 40 minutes only to decide he couldn't see what happened.

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          #44
          Originally posted by 4truth

          Not really. What I'm saying is by Boxing Scene standards, a draw would not be a robbery. If I can't name 7 clear rounds for Usyk, and I can't, I wouldn't be able to complain that a draw was a robbery.
          This recent stuff is absolutely asinine from people who clearly don't understand scoring and have never so much as looked at the rules.

          Like, FFS, one guy won 6 rounds clear, the other guy won 2, and there were 4 rounds that were closer, and that's not an obvious win for the guy who clearly won half of the fight?

          Idiots like certain Haney huggers seem to think that a round that was close enough that they don't know who won can just be awarded to whoever they want, and scoring criteria be damned. The judge should be able to pick the winner of the round, based on clean punching, effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense. If that can't be chosen, it's an even round, and is supposed to be scored even.

          Neither fighter was ever in any danger of being stopped. So effective aggression is likely moot in most rounds. Ring generalship is about who is controlling the fight. That often goes to the fighter who is pressing the action, but if they're just following around the ring and can't cut it off, then the action is likely being controlled by the other guy. Clean punches and percent landed tell most of the story otherwise. Joshua likely won 1,2, 9. Usyk outlanded Joshua in every other round, and had better defense in every round except for 7 & 8. Even if you give Joshua the benefit of the doubt, he still can only get 5 rounds at best.

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          • Madison Boxing
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            #45
            he lost but it was a close fight, i dont know how its been revised into some sort of usyk shutout win, joshua boxed pretty well from memory

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              #46
              Originally posted by _Rexy_

              Utilize it property though. You can't have Robert Byrd doing instant replay for 40 minutes only to decide he couldn't see what happened.
              1st step is to actually use it.
              Next is to fine tune it.
              I don't know of a sport that has replay that takes longer than a couple of minutes.
              It is better than just hoping they got it right.

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                #47
                Originally posted by BodyBagz

                1st step is to actually use it.
                Next is to fine tune it.
                I don't know of a sport that has replay that takes longer than a couple of minutes.
                It is better than just hoping they got it right.
                That Robert Byrd replay took over a half hour. Was the second Franco/Moloney fight.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by _Rexy_

                  That Robert Byrd replay took over a half hour. Was the second Franco/Moloney fight.
                  No system is 100% FOOLproof.
                  A definite one of.

                  I'd still rather have tech used than not just because of 1 incident

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by BodyBagz

                    No system is 100% FOOLproof.
                    A definite one of.

                    I'd still rather have tech used than not just because of 1 incident
                    I'm saying yes, you have to use it. But you can't have a senior citizen as the only ****ing person watching.


                    Personally, I'd also have three judges backstage watching so the sounds can't affect their decisions either (although the bubble showed us the crowd noise isn't the big issue people claimed it was)

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by _Rexy_

                      I'm saying yes, you have to use it. But you can't have a senior citizen as the only ****ing person watching.


                      Personally, I'd also have three judges backstage watching so the sounds can't affect their decisions either (although the bubble showed us the crowd noise isn't the big issue people claimed it was)
                      Implement tools where senior citizens won't be able to muck shlt up....like a time limit to use replay.
                      If after 1 minute a decision can't be made, the initial decision stands.

                      Isolating judges is another idea.
                      Sounds can definitely influence a spectator.

                      Separate room/backstage with enough monitors to give them every possible angle.....how hard is it

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