Top 10 all-time heavyweights!

[WhoreUs]

Consecutive?

i doubt consecutive.

maybe a year or two in the top 10 and then get bumped off and then come back for another 2-3 years.

that's actually more impressive.

a lot of guys get in the top 10 for a couple of years , get exposed and then never return.

douglas lost his spot and regained it a couple times. that means he had a good win or couple of wins that got him back on.

[Benny Leonard]

I'm saying top 10 ALL TIME.

Ali gets automatic entry because in defeating Foreman, Frazier (as well as Norton and Liston) he has all the evidence he needs. Ditto Frazier.

None of the guys you list above (with the exception of Holmes, who was so far away from his prime he couldn't see it) would get anywhere near the top 10 heavies list.

Ali is a given. He is either #1 or #2 because he upset Liston (who some have argued was past his prime) and Foreman...as well as being undefeated before his layoff...and then coming back off his layoff was not the same fighter and still put up some good wins. Of course he lost some fights but that happens when you are no longer at your best.

[Mugwump]

That's because it was the respect shown to IRON MIKE TYSON...as well as Douglas being known to be an up and down fighter in his career. When he faced Tyson, he put together a string of wins but nobody was going to bet on Buster except for whoever that
"1" better was. Why bet when it seems a given Tyson was going to win.

When Douglas got motivated, trained hard, he went on a winning streak. He then beat Tyson (although Tyson was down at that point)...and then once Buster won the title, he reverted right back to fat lazy Douglas because he got paid.

Hang on a second. You can't get away with saying stuff like "... reverted right back to fat lazy Douglas" and then claim he isn't a bum. Or are you saying Douglas was a bum sometimes and not at others?

[WhoreUs]

Hang on a second. You can't get away with saying stuff like "... reverted right back to fat lazy Douglas" and then claim he isn't a bum. Or are you saying Douglas was a bum sometimes and not at others?

why does lewis come in fat and out of shape sometimes?

coming in out of shape or not taking training seriously has nothing to do with how good a fighter is.

it's a separate issue.

[GoogleMe]

Douglas WAS a bum. If you want to know a good judge of boxing ability ask a bookmaker. And just about every bookmaker on the planet had Douglas down as a bum. The odds were astronomical - even by the standards set by some of Tyson's earlier opponents.

The fact that he KOd McCall means very little as McCall's form - as well as his mind - fluctuated like a needle registering an earthquake from week to week.

Tyson had all the talent in the world, technique, speed, strenght and experience. His personal life ****ed him up. An once tamed tiger, gone wild again.

[Mugwump]

i doubt consecutive.

maybe a year or two in the top 10 and then get bumped off and then come back for another 2-3 years.

that's actually more impressive.

a lot of guys get in the top 10 for a couple of years , get exposed and then never return.

douglas lost his spot and regained it a couple times. that means he had a good win or couple of wins that got him back on.

Ditto what I'm saying to Benny. Douglas' results and actions - getting in shape, winning a couple, getting out of shape, losing a couple - are the very definition of a bum. I don't see the issue here.

[extracurRICular]

Tyson had all the talent in the world, technique, speed, strenght and experience. His personal life ****ed him up. An once tamed tiger, gone wild again.

Makes no sense to me how some of these kat can come up with an all time HW list and in good conscious not include arguably the ATG of the entire sport let alone the div....honestly it boggles the mind.....how you gonna leave Mike out of a list all together???

[Mugwump]

why does lewis come in fat and out of shape sometimes?

Lewis' weight only became a big issue when he got close to retirement. At no point in his prime did he win a fight and then go out on an eight week bender snorting coke and downing Wild Turkey by the gallon to the point where he piled on fourty pounds and got beat twice on the run.

[Benny Leonard]

Hang on a second. You can't get away with saying stuff like "... reverted right back to fat lazy Douglas" and then claim he isn't a bum. Or are you saying Douglas was a bum sometimes and not at others?

Ah, yes I can. In order to be good, you have to stay hungry to be a fighter. You have to train.
That's why it can be hard being Champion. Being Champion for some can make them feel accomplished already, well fed...and that leads to their downfall.
If you don't train, you are going to look like a bum (I guess) would be your point.

Bum = never good

Douglas had the ability to be good when he trained and not so good when he didn't. It is all a part of what makes a fighter Bad, Average, Good, Very Good, Great.


You can see the athleticism and technical skills Douglas had so no way can he be a bum. Bums have nothing and they have losing records.

McCall didn't think Buster was a bum.

[Benny Leonard]

why does lewis come in fat and out of shape sometimes?

coming in out of shape or not taking training seriously has nothing to do with how good a fighter is.

it's a separate issue.

Disagree. Lewis was actually one of the few that took his career seriously and stayed on track. This is the same man that got married and had kids AFTER he finished with his career. Fighters could learn something from him. Guys like Tyson threw there careers away and can even argue never reached their potential while Lewis set out to be the best he could be. It's something I really liked about Lewis and didn't like so much with Tyson.
Of course they led two different lives and had different pressures placed on them, but that's something else to add for a longer discussion.

The two fights that some talk about for Lewis not being in tip-top shape were the Rahman and Klitschko fight.