Pros/Cons for Spence and Crawford

[diplo]

Pro: This would just be a great fight
Con: It isn't going to happen

[Ghost Jab]

Bro this is boxing. You’re gonna get hit. I don’t care how tight your defense is. You’re gonna get touched. You can get hurt. Anybody can get hurt. I don’t care how tough you are or how great of a chin you have or think you have.

Yes. If you’re like Khan and getting straight dropped several times, yeah you got a weak chin. But just because you get hurt in the ring here and there, that don’t mean you got a weak chin. It’s how you recover. Can you recover quick. That’s the test of a chin.

Even if you get dropped, you can have a good chin. Take John Ryder. That guy has a good chin. Did he get dropped, yeah! Clear as day he got dropped. But he recovered quick and took clean shots from Canelo. Bloodied up. But he recovered well and stayed in there.

Yeah Spence has been hurt, but never for too long. You can say the same for Crawford. In the few moments they’ve been hurt, they recovered quick. And if I’m not mistaken, neither have been dropped or have been dropped clean.

They may not have the best chins, but from what I have seen, they are solid.

Terence Crawford was knocked down by Egidijus Kavaliauskas, but battled back to win the fight.

[kiaba360]

I went back and forth on it in my mind for years, but after watching Crawford just go into another gear against Porter after being told Porter was up in between rounds, and Crawford shocked and goes, “he’s up?!?”

Then knocking him down twice, that changed my mind for me. Led me to believe that he was coasting against Porter and he has more gears to his game. That finish was beyond impressive.

Yeah Porter wasn’t hurt real bad, but I think if it had gone on, Porter would’ve been floored again and unable to get up. Crawford was on another level at that point.

There's something else that he did against Porter that caught my attention, and an element of this upcoming match-up that could be getting overlooked. Crawford is now campaigning in his third weight class, but Porter wasn't able to muscle him around. When Crawford needed to halt Porter's momentum, he'd clinch. At the end of round 3, Crawford actually turns Porter and wrestles him towards the ropes. A bit dirty, but Crawford did it to send Porter a message. Crawford's style doesn't require him to be physically imposing, but he is deceptively strong. If Spence is starting to get the better of TC on the outside, I can see a role reversal occur where TC starts pressuring and begins forcing Spence on the back-foot.

[b Murphington]

There's something else that he did against Porter that caught my attention, and an element of this upcoming match-up that could be overlooked. Crawford is now campaigning in his third weight class, but Porter wasn't able to muscle him around. When Crawford needed to halt Porter's momentum, he'd clinch. At the end of round 3, Crawford actually turns Porter and wrestles him towards the ropes. A bit dirty, but Crawford did it to send Porter a message. Crawford's style doesn't require him to be physically imposing, but he is deceptively strong. If Spence is starting to get the better of TC on the outside, I can see a role reversal occur where TC starts to stalk and forces Spence on the back-foot.

Mmmm.

I’ll have to watch again.

I always knew Crawford had an athletic style to him.

The only thing that sucks about that, the athleticism doesn’t age well and Crawford’s well into his 30’s.

[boxinglife8]

Only important factors are:
Spence: Commitment to boxing behind fundamentals + high Workrate. Con: Glass chin
Crawford: Power, Speed. Con: Old


There was talk of âVADAâ which can play a big role. But itâs PBC so Iâm guessing itâs that VADA testing no one talks about nor is announced by VADA that Benavidez-Plant did, i.e complete bullsht.

Did you just say Spence has glass chin? I need some of what your smoking

[b Murphington]

Did you just say Spence has glass chin? I need some of what your smoking

Some people need to reevaluate what the definition of a “glass chin” is.

Its thrown around constantly and WAY over used.

Just because someone gets hurt in a boxing match DOES NOT mean they have a glass chin! EVERYONE and ANYONE gets hurt in boxing. You are literally throwing punches to each others heads. You’re going to get touched. You’re going to get hit to the head. It happens.

What determines whether you have a glass chin or not is how you take it. How do you recover? Do you recover quick? Or do you stay hurt or become badly hurt and unable to recover? Do you get dropped frequently?

I would argue that even getting dropped here and there doesn’t mean you have a glass chin.

Even getting KTFO doesn’t automatically mean you have a glass chin! Prime example. Manny Pacquiao. Balls to the wall warrior. I don’t think anyone questions his chin. His toughness. Dude got put to sleep vs Marquez. Real bad. Does anyone think he has a glass chin?

On the flip side, JMM. He got floored by Pac like 3 times in one of their fights right? He recovered well. Does anyone question his chin?

[PRINCEKOOL]

The only major con I can think of for Spence Junior is? The unknown's STILL regarding his true form when pushed 'After his accident'.

Even still Spence Junior even after his accident recovery has for me, beaten and faced better 147 pound fighters than Terrence Crawford.

Danny Garcia and Ugas were more in form fighters than Kell Brook & Shawn Porter 'Still good solid wins for Crawford, but both Porter was semi-retired. And Brook, as we know now? Took that fight under the wrong conditions, was not in super great form or even being trained by Dominic Ingle'.

Crawford's win over Brook is still a good win, but not as impressive as people may perceive. Skill for skill Brook was right there with Crawford until the stoppage.

Brook throughout his career has had good durability, the type of stoppage he suffered vs Crawford was because of past trauma's i.e injuries and with him being weight drained.

Spence Junior's win over Brook was more impressive, as he pretty much beat a still peak Brook 'Spence Junior also was tested, came through Brook's power'.

This fight between Crawford & Spence Junior is a 50/50 fight for me, only because of the unknowns still surrounding Spence Junior in a tough fight where he is pushed.

If Spence Junior did not have these unknown's, then I would slightly favor him over Crawford.

Spence Junior has a solid and consistent style, and he commits to the body attack 'The body attack is something I think will be a challenge for Crawford'.

Crawford may be abit more skillful and creatively offensively, but Spence Junior has a Superior Jab 'And at his peak, I think he marginally has better endurance'.

Crawford and Spence Junior are fairly level in durability, EVEN now after Spence Junior's accident. Crawford has never struck me has being a monster in terms of durability.

Crawford looks to me, like a fighter who can be shook if major pressure is put on him 'That is why this fight is still a winnable fight for Spence Junior, because innately and stylistically he is a pressure fighter' etc.

Note: It is still a 50/50 fight, really close fight. If I was to pick one fighter by a 1% edge 49/51% 'Then maybe that fighter would be Errol Spence Junior'. But I would say right now, no fighter has that 1% edge etc.

[b Murphington]

The only major con I can think of for Spence Junior is? The unknown's STILL regarding his true form when pushed 'After his accident'.

Even still Spence Junior even after his accident recovery has for me, beaten and faced better 147 pound fighters than Terrence Crawford.

Danny Garcia and Ugas were more in form fighters than Kell Brook & Shawn Porter 'Still good solid wins for Crawford, but both Porter was semi-retired. And Brook, as we know now? Took that fight under the wrong conditions, was not in super great form or even being trained by Dominic Ingle'.

Crawford's win over Brook is still a good win, but not as impressive as people may perceive. Skill for skill Brook was right their with Crawford until the stoppage.

Brook throughout his career has had good durability, the type of stoppage he suffered vs Crawford was because of past trauma's i.e injuries and with him being weight drained.

Spence Junior's win over Brook was more impressive, as he pretty much beat a still peak Brook 'Spence Junior also was tested, came through Brook's power'.

This fight between Crawford & Spence Junior is a 50/50 fight for me, only because of the unknowns still surrounding Spence Junior in a tough fight where he is pushed.

If Spence Junior did not have these unknown's, then I would slightly favor him over Crawford.

Spence Junior has a solid and consistent style, and he commits to the body attack 'The body attack is something I think will be a challenge for Crawford'.

Crawford may be abit more skillful and creatively offensively, but Spence Junior has a Superior Jab 'And at his peak, I think he marginally has better endurance'.

Crawford and Spence Junior are fairly level in durability, EVEN now after Spence Junior's accident. Crawford has never struck me has being a monster in terms of durability.

Crawford looks to me, like a fighter who can be shook if major pressure is put on him 'That is why this fight is still a winnable fight for Spence Junior, because innately and stylistically he is a pressure fighter' etc.

Note: It is still a 50/50 fight, really close fight. If I was to pick one fighter by a 1% edge 49/51% 'Then maybe that fighter would be Errol Spence Junior'. But I would say right now, no fighter has that 1% edge etc.

I see this almost how you see it.

I think Spence has the better fundamentals, whereas Crawford is more athletic and can do different things and give different looks.

I slightly favor Crawford because of his meanness and his ability to get boxers out of there when he has them hurt. But Crawford has to be on his A game because Spence is by far the best boxer Crawford will have ever faced and I agree with you, Spence has a more proven resume with who’s he’s faced.

Spence’s inactivity had to factor in as well.

[HandsofIron]

Look mayne, the only way to beat Crawford is to outbox him.

Can Spence turn into a master boxer for one night only? Who knows since that's not really Spence's style, he's more about pressure and grinding down.

[joseph5620]

You casuals don’t know sht. Never boxed a day in your lives. Spence has a weak chin. Any guy getting hurt by Lartey, buzzed by Porter, and if you had an eye you saw him hurt vs Brook also. His chin is a liability.

A fighter that has never touched the canvas doesn't have a glass chin. Your logic is ridiculous. Most fighters have been rocked at some point in their careers. It's boxing. Many get knocked out. The important thing is how they respond to it. Spence is unbeaten so his chin has obviously held up.

if Spence had a glass jaw we would heve seen it by now. Ridiculous.