Will A Win Over Roy Give Hopkins A Better Legacy Than Jones?

[street bully]

Jones has better fighters? WTF? The only good fighters on his resume he lost to except for B-Hop which was a bull**** win for him anyways.

Was not a bull**** win, both were contenders at the time, Jones won the oly clear win of Hopkins career 8-4.

[S.G.]

I would have WAY more of a problem if he moved up to 168 and fought chris eubank and nigel benn and NEVER fought James Toney...

Michael Nunn was stopped by James Toney, who Roy Jones beat.

Steve Collins already had 3 losses on his record 2 were title fights at 160 by the time roy even got to SMW... he beat eubank and benn... meanwhile roys beating james toney

Nigel benn? had 3 losses in a row before roy even LEFT smw... and lost both his title fights... this is before roy jones ever left the division. Roy KOED malinga, who WENT ON to beat Nigel Benn.

Mclellan was KOED by Benn while roy was still in the division, and then beats a nobody to get another belt

Chris Eubank lost both his title fights to Collins WHILE roy was still in the SMW division..


it isnt that i wouldnt of liked to see these fights, or these arent good fighters... but the fact is when roy moved to SMW, he took on the absolute best fighter in the division... meanwhile these other fighters are losing title fights...these fighters needed roy, roy did not these fighters.

Would it have been nice for roy to unify the division? sure of course... but he fought and beat the #1 fighter in the division.... who was UNBEATEN, and RANKED 2nd pound for pound.

HARDLY... not believing in his abilities.

The Darius thing, I blame both fighters... would have loved to see this fight, but Roy beat Gonzalez and didnt lose a round... Darius had a TIGHT fight with Gonzalez and lost, on top of having two tough fights with Richard Hall... a fighter Roy completely and utterly embarassed.

The Toney win was amazing, but it's not like he did that and then moved onwards and upwards. He loitered in the division for a further two years without facing any one of the other great boxers occupying the division at the time, unless you count Pazienza. The Toney win was obviously the best one he could possibly have attained at SMW but that doesn't excuse not picking up at least one other win over a Benn, a Eubank, a Nunn, a Collins in that two years.

And you can disregard the 'not believing in his abilities' thing I was just countering a point dude I quoted made. "Reductio ad absurdum"

[totalstranga]

not for me. Roy was a better fighter when he was on top, and he could have beaten anyone B-Hop did or has. And Roy had so much talent. Roy would clown ya, Hopkins would roughhouse.

[djtmal]

Like what I said prime for prime Roy would be better, since in his prime he just had super human speed and reflexes. However, I believe that what makes the fighter is how the come back from adversity, how they redinifne themselves after their natural youthful abilities wear off. This shows you who is a student of the game, and who is not capeable of changing up. In his prime while Roy was faster, Hopkins had great speed and was the quickest MW in the division, he also had 15 round stamina, and would use defense, and a high workrate to wear opponents down and stop them. As he got in his 30s he changed his style up because he was not as fast as he used to be, and started to use much more movement, and box from the outside, and disrupt opponents rythem, albeit still having a rather high workrate, and borderline dirty inside game. As he reached his 40s his stamina without a doubt is lower than it used to be, and his workrate is also lower due to his age, but he changed his style up once again. He now chooses to be economical use angles, foot placement, and his brain to win fights, when he is almost always physically outmatched by his opponents. This is why career wise I see Hopkins slightly higher than Jones, because as soon as Jones slowed down, he could no longer compete on the elite level. Both are great fighters, but I think Hopkins ability to rebuild himself is much harder than fighting the same way when it clearly will not work any more. This is also why Ali is seen as the greatest HW, his youthfull super speed and reflexes slowed down, so he fought like a new fighter to face the best when he was not at his best, and beat them.

It is a matter of taste though, and in his prime Roy was untouchable, but more than just your prime makes a fighter.

this would be only an ok assessment, but you hopkins excuse makers love to leave out that jones great deterioration of strength, speed, stamina, etc. after moving moving up to heavy and back down in two fights mind yous, to face the #1 contender in the lightheavy division pretty much turned him into a shot fighter slightly past his prime, which is abnormal....ali, srl, even srr lost a step past prime, but imo jones slide was much greater and something that you can physically see...except of course that excludes hopkins delusional nutthuggers...

we couldn't get hopkins to fight guys his size, no less move up a division past his natural weight of lightheavy and at this point, he's only interested in making fighters move up, than move up himself, or for that matter, fight fighters in his current division...

[djtmal]

The Toney win was amazing, but it's not like he did that and then moved onwards and upwards. He loitered in the division for a further two years without facing any one of the other great boxers occupying the division at the time, unless you count Pazienza. The Toney win was obviously the best one he could possibly have attained at SMW but that doesn't excuse not picking up at least one other win over a Benn, a Eubank, a Nunn, a Collins in that two years.

And you can disregard the 'not believing in his abilities' thing I was just countering a point dude I quoted made. "Reductio ad absurdum"

hey man hopkins it ain't like hopkins beat a who's who of middleweights after trinidad...robert allen 15, eastman, morrade hakkar, oscar de la doughboy?..joppy that tito already flattened?....lol...real murderers row if i saw one...

[S.G.]

hey man hopkins at ain't like hopkins beat a who's who of middleweights after trinidad...robert allen 15, eastman, morrade hakkar, oscar de la doughboy?..joppy that tito already flattened?....lol...real murderers row if i saw one...

Ah but unlike Jones you can't say he skipped anyone out can you?

And oh no, De La Hoya had to fight one pound above the weight he'd been fighting at for the past four years - picking up wins against Vargas, Yori Boy Campas, Castillejo, and being robbed against Mosley. I know people have all but given up defending the De La Hoya win but I think it's impressive personally. De La Hoya is a highly skilled Hall of Famer and obviously wasn't that reduced against Hopkins as you can tell just by watching the fight.

[IMDAZED]

Jones has better fighters? WTF? The only good fighters on his resume he lost to except for B-Hop which was a bull**** win for him anyways.

**hits ignore**

[IMDAZED]

Ah but unlike Jones you can't say he skipped anyone out can you?

What does this mean?

[D-MiZe]

TS should of just called this thread;

RJJ fans vs BHop fans

[Benny Leonard]

HELL NO: A win over Roy now should be expected. It means nothing.

And for the others: Roy was the better fighter in his prime. Hopkins refused to fight him again.
Hopkins was like the Rick Hatton of his era with always mentioning Roy Jones Jr. to hype up his fights like Hatton used to do with Floyd Mayweather Jr.
That's Truth.