Comments Thread For: Usyk-Dubois: Alex Krassyuk ($8,057,000) Outbids Queensberry To Secure Rights, August 12 in Poland Eyed

[JakeTheBoxer]

This fight perfectly encapsulates boxing. A novice in Dubois, having not beaten a single top 10 heavyweight, gets to fight arguably the best heavyweight on the planet. Joke

Dubois took the right fight at the right time. He fought that American bum with the belt Bryan for WBA regular belt. Other guys can blame only themselves that they didn`t take that fight.

[kafkod]

It’s better money than he’ll get anywhere else but with all the drama in his career recently and the fact he’d have to travel makes me wonder whether he’ll take it.

If he doesn't take it he loses his WBA regular title. If he takes it he gets $2million and a chance to become a unified world champion. Seems like an easy choice to me. Nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[Toffee]

If he doesn't take it he loses his WBA regular title. If he takes it he gets $2million and a chance to become a unified world champion. Seems like an easy choice to me. Nothing to lose and everything to gain.

There's a bit of me that sees Fury delay Usyk so Dubois was ready, then Dubois delay Usyk... then ultimately Wilder gets ordered against Usyk. And I think Wilder would be a big problem for Usyk, but will never be an issue for Fury.

Warren could screw Joshua and Usyk in just a few low risk moves. And you know they'd love to fight Wilder for all the belts.

It's a very long bow to draw, but I wouldn't put anything past Warren and Fury.

[kafkod]

There's a bit of me that sees Fury delay Usyk so Dubois was ready, then Dubois delay Usyk... then ultimately Wilder gets ordered against Usyk. And I think Wilder would be a big problem for Usyk, but will never be an issue for Fury.

Warren could screw Joshua and Usyk in just a few low risk moves. And you know they'd love to fight Wilder for all the belts.

It's a very long bow to draw, but I wouldn't put anything past Warren and Fury.

Warren and Fury have no control over Wilder though and Wilder stands to make way more money vs AJ in Saudi Arabia than he would get for fighting Usyk. I can't see him risking that AJ payday for $2million against an opponent as dangerous as Usyk.

Usyk is on record saying that of all the top HWs, he thinks Wilder would be the easiest for him to beat, and I can see why he says that. Usyk would be too fast,, tricky and clever for a one trick pony with a low punch output like Wilder. Deontay would have puncher's chance, of course, but he would need a real lucky break to win, imo.

But, like I said, I don't think Dubois will pull out. If he goes through with the fight and loses, he's in exactly the same position as he would be in if he walks - but $2million richer!

[davefromvancouv]

You guys are crazy.

Why would Frank Warren be trying protect Usyk from Wilder or freeze Wilder out? That just makes no sense at all.

Did you listen to the video?

[kafkod]

Did you listen to the video?

Yes I did, and it's going to take me at a least a week to get back the 50 IQ points I lost in the process.

Nothing that guy says makes any kind of rational sense. He isn't even trying to make rational sense. He's trying to provoke emotional reactions from guys who don't know how to think rationally. That's what 78SPORTSTV is all about - getting dumb guys to react emotionally to what he says so he can make money out of them.

"After the Usyk vs Fury talks collapsed, Usyk had an offer to fight Wilder, and he could have taken that offer, because Deontay is the WBA No1 contender. But Usyk is a coward, so he chose to start negotiating a WBA title consolidation fight with Dubois instead of fighting Deontay."

Duh ... after the Usyk vs Fury talks fell through, Usyk the WBA ordered Usyk to consolidate the titles with Dubois. He didn't have the option to fight Wilder instead!

"Dubois can't fight Usyk because he's injured, but Warren is having Dubois pretend that he wants to fight Usyk, to run interference on Wilder and stop the WBA from ordering Usyk to fight him. They are stalling because Dubois won't have medical clearance to fight until June, so Usyk will be able to fight his IBF mando with Hrogovic next instead of fighting Deontay for the WBA."

Duh ... Dubois was medically cleared to fight back in March, so that wouldn't work. And if he isn't fit to fight after the purse bid, or if he pulls out of the purse bid, that would mean Usyk has to fight Wilder next. He wouldn't have the option of moving on and fighting his IBF mando instead. That isn't how this shit works!

[PRINCEKOOL]

There's a bit of me that sees Fury delay Usyk so Dubois was ready, then Dubois delay Usyk... then ultimately Wilder gets ordered against Usyk. And I think Wilder would be a big problem for Usyk, but will never be an issue for Fury.

Warren could screw Joshua and Usyk in just a few low risk moves. And you know they'd love to fight Wilder for all the belts.

It's a very long bow to draw, but I wouldn't put anything past Warren and Fury.

Wilder has been a big issue for Tyson Fury twice, in two fights.

That is all I wanted to say about this post. There seems to be a myth, that Fury had a easy time fighting Wilder.

Maybe the trilogy vs Wilder, is one of the reasons why Fury wants to drop back down to Domestic & European level.

If Wilder vs Fury IIII is made, I think Wilder would be a big issue again for Fury.

Note: I see, you have theorized that Team Fury are playing some sort of sociopolitical war game. That is quite a intriguing observation. Delay, play games, say this, say that and use Dubois to walk Usyk into the path of Deontay Wilder 'But of course sequences have to play out in the manner Team Fury want.

I have actually identified something similar. Fury's hardcore fans are well known to demand that Fury's nearest competition all fight each other but NEVER Tyson Fury 'They attempt to use other fighters such as Joshua to fight off Fury's competition'.

Fury's hardcore fans were demanding that Joshua should fight Zhang or Joyce after his loss to Usyk II.

The professional game is different to the amateur ranks in the sport. In the amateur ranks all fighters are competing with a shared intention 'To be the best'. Also in order to be the best you have to travel down the same path or very similar path to all other fighters 'This is why I personally rank the Olympic title pre-2020, higher than most if not all individual professional World titles'.

[Toffee]

Wilder has been a big issue for Tyson Fury twice, in two fights.

That is all I wanted to say about this post. There seems to be a myth, that Fury had a easy time fighting Wilder.

Maybe the trilogy vs Wilder, is one of the reasons why Fury wants to drop back down to Domestic & European level.

If Wilder vs Fury IIII is made, I think Wilder would be a big issue again for Fury.

Note: I see, you have theorized that Team Fury are playing some sort of sociopolitical war game. That is quite a intriguing observation. Delay, play games, say this, say that and use Dubois to walk Usyk into the path of Deontay Wilder 'But of course sequences have to play out in the manner Team Fury want.

I have actually identified something similar. Fury's hardcore fans are well known to demand that Fury's nearest competition all fight each other but NEVER Tyson Fury 'They attempt to use other fighters such as Joshua to fight off Fury's competition'.

Fury's hardcore fans were demanding that Joshua should fight Zhang or Joyce after his loss to Usyk II.

The professional game is different to the amateur ranks in the sport. In the amateur ranks all fighters are competing with a shared intention 'To be the best'. Also in order to be the best you have to travel down the same path or very similar path to all other fighters 'This is why I personally rank the Olympic title pre-2020, higher than most if not all individual professional World titles'.

Wilder would be an issue but Fury would be a bigger favourite than ever. He's dealt with everything Wilder has to offer and been well on top over the three fights.

Sequences might need to play out as Fury would want in order to push Usyk into Wilder... but even if they don't then they still screw up a rival.

Usyk had an opportunity to fight someone of his choosing. The Fury negotiations took that away until Dubois could step up.

Joshua could have fought someone of his choosing, but Fury negotiations took away that opportunity and he instead went to a mandatory in Usyk.

Here we are with a proposed Wilder Joshua fight in December and Fury starts making offers for September.

I think Fury delights in meddling with others. Just because he can.

[Toffee]

Warren and Fury have no control over Wilder though and Wilder stands to make way more money vs AJ in Saudi Arabia than he would get for fighting Usyk. I can't see him risking that AJ payday for $2million against an opponent as dangerous as Usyk.

Usyk is on record saying that of all the top HWs, he thinks Wilder would be the easiest for him to beat, and I can see why he says that. Usyk would be too fast,, tricky and clever for a one trick pony with a low punch output like Wilder. Deontay would have puncher's chance, of course, but he would need a real lucky break to win, imo.

But, like I said, I don't think Dubois will pull out. If he goes through with the fight and loses, he's in exactly the same position as he would be in if he walks - but $2million richer!

Usyk might still be Wilder's best chance. Usyk won't stop him - Wilder might land. His puncher's chance would be half decent against Usyk.

I'd imagine a new purse bid would be inflated for a Wilder Usyk fight too.

And now Fury is claiming he is offering a fight to Joshua. Well that might derail Wilder's fight.

[juggernaut666]

Dubois suffered a torn ACL. He can only start training in June. By August, it is highly unlikely he will be able to fight Usyk, but we'll see. I anticipate exactly what 78SPORTSTV says: Dubois will claim he can't fight, there will be no Usyk fight, and Usyk will have successfully avoided a huge legacy fight with Wilder before fighting in December.

Usyk could have easily fought Wilder instead of holding up the division with Dubois, right after Fury screwed up the undisputed fight. But then again we all know why he didn't: Wilder is the better fighter and would his head off.

Why would Usyk fight Wilder a non selling money fight to fight Fury for all the titles ? The contract negotiations with Fury began exactly two weeks after Usyk said he was going to the Wilder vs Helenius fight , Wilder is saying Usyks ducked him when press conferences were planned and purse bids won , he cannot fight Wilder unless DDD decides not to fight him .