How about giving this young buck some credit?

[joseph5620]

Shakur Stevenson exclusive! Says he's changed his mind on Devin Haney vs Lomachenko.

[MikeyG]

It was better than usual but I don't think compubox will ever give us a fair reflection on Lomas output due to his frenetic style and a lot of probing & lead hand fencing. He also throws these extremely short shots as if to simply touch the opponent. I think it said he threw 250 jabs or there about?
It was a quicker start than usual (than vs Campbell, Ortiz or Lopez) but for me Haney was the one shading the rounds with the better accuracy and cleaner work, clean bodyshots and was simply more consistent throughout a lot of the rounds.

For me Loma just wastes too much energy doing a lot of unnecessary stuff and gets credited too much because of it. I don't want to say flash over substance but for me he often gets too much credit for a lot of erratic movement that isn't always all that effective or scoring. This is with commentators to fans to compubox.
He is feinting and probing, level changing, moving his head, creating angles and he is throwing 4-5 punches and often pushing them and playing touch when only one is getting through then he gets countered clean and has to close the gap again and eats another shot on his way in but it gives the impression he is doing better and having more success than he in fact is because the odd times he flurries they're on defence and slipping and rolling shots but they're in fact being more conservative but landing the better, cleaner shots or in fact outlanding him despite his surges which give the illusion of him being busier than he is when he is spending massive chunks of the round not scoring with anything.

Upon watching it back in particular the first 9 rounds I would like to say that I was wrong and the ESPN broadcast for those 9 rounds at least did a fairly good job of giving a fair assessment if you will and a few times they acknowledged nothing got through or/& credited Haneys defence and in those situations rightfully so but the compubox team and fans (live in the arena) do not have the same view.

Thanks for the lengthy answer. I see some of your points even though I interpret them differently. Unfortunately I don't have time to target all those points. Hopefully I can get back to them tomorrow.

[-Kev-]

118-110 Loma can only laugh really

Easily. Pretty easy to score. Haney did jack and sh/t. That’s why they got booed out of the ring and had sh/t thrown at them

[IronDanHamza]

I actually had Loma winning 9 rounds. And I didn’t write them down, I typed them out in the RBR thread, post by post. Refer to those posts if you are actually interested.

That’s plausible but did he win 7 of them clearly, is what I’m asking you?

Because he’d have to have for it to be a robbery like you’re saying it is.

[-Kev-]

That’s plausible but did he win 7 of them clearly, is what I’m asking you?

Because he’d have to have for it to be a robbery like you’re saying it is.

He won 9 rounds clearly imo, really easy fight to score. At first viewing I gave him 10 rounds. But decided in that round, Haney looked like he did slightly more due to bodywork.

When you are getting backed up and potshotting weak jabs, when your opponent is throwing the combinations and landing the head snapping punches, that’s easy to score.

The way Lomachenko fought is literally the reason why judges love scoring rounds for Canelo. He comes forward, throws combinations, lands the more telling blows. The blows that not only the judges can see, but also the fans and the viewers can see. And I consistently score fights this way. Which is why I gave Salido and Teofimo the wins over Loma.

For visual purposes, judges are supposedly swayed by blood. Haney was the only guy visibly bleeding from the nose and mouth.

Basically, Lomachenko fought like the guy who judges are supposed to like, and Haney fought like the guy who judges like to penalize.

But it’s possible that judges are now changing the way they score fights? I har Canelo clearly losing to Bivol, he got backed up, outlanded, and was ineffective. Yet the judges gave had it only 7-5 for Bivol. I also think 115-113 in the Benavidez-Plant fight was pretty generous for Plant.

So it’s possible that judges are now moving to a different way of scoring fights. No longer giving the rounds to the guy who’s coming forward and landing the more telling blows. Sadly.

[IronDanHamza]

He won 9 rounds clearly imo, really easy fight to score. At first viewing I gave him 10 rounds. But decided in that round, Haney looked like he did slightly more due to bodywork.

When you are getting backed up and potshotting weak jabs, when your opponent is throwing the combinations and landing the head snapping punches, that’s easy to score.

The way Lomachenko fought is literally the reason why judges love scoring rounds for Canelo. He comes forward, throws combinations, lands the more telling blows. The blows that not only the judges can see, but also the fans and the viewers can see. And I consistently score fights this way. Which is why I gave Salido and Teofimo the wins over Loma.

For visual purposes, judges are supposedly swayed by blood. Haney was the only guy visibly bleeding from the nose and mouth.

Basically, Lomachenko fought like the guy who judges are supposed to like, and Haney fought like the guy who judges like to penalize.

But it’s possible that judges are now changing the way they score fights? I har Canelo clearly losing to Bivol, he got backed up, outlanded, and was ineffective. Yet the judges gave had it only 7-5 for Bivol. I also think 115-113 in the Benavidez-Plant fight was pretty generous for Plant.

So it’s possible that judges are now moving to a different way of scoring fights. No longer giving the rounds to the guy who’s coming forward and landing the more telling blows. Sadly.

Which 9?

[Teetotaler69]

Your boyfriend lost to a mental case

Even with the refs help! Lmfao

[Teetotaler69]

See absolutely incapable of it just another umpteen excuses.

Hope cryan doesn't give this bum a rematch with that logic

[Teetotaler69]

Great post. They cant because most of them are sore losers that can’t admit they were premature in proclaiming Loma an ATG and denigrating Haney.

So what does that make hankey losing to a fvkcing mental case in cryan?

[Teetotaler69]

Agree. They can list all of the bad shyte about Haney if they want but he’s genuinely making every effort to make the best fights. With today’s boxers that’s pretty phuckin rare.

fvkcing clown

This thread is so much fun lmfao