like it or not..the klit brothers ARE atg's

[street bully]

They are great, but they just do not have the opposition to be ATGs.

[ny123]

That's true. But Wladimir has also beaten far better opposition.

i wouldnt say far better that goes back to what i said earlier about vitaly having those injuries and being away from the sport. i know that is not wlads fault but i honestly believe vitaly is the tougher fighter who would fair better in other eras of hw boxing because of his chin and ability to handle a man who can stand up to his punches

[IMDAZED]

So what about eras: If you have the ability of an ATG as far as talent but aren't able to get tested because of your era...how does that work out?

And what if, despite eras, we ask if a past "ATG" could beat this current fighter...would that be able to come into play...or no because it's different eras that cannot be compared?

You do what you can is how I look at it. Your resume is who you are at the end of the day. I think Wladimir is well on his way to greatness although I believe Vitali could have been greater. But when it's all said and done and we read the names on their resume, I don't think All-Time Great is what you'll think. A dominant champ in a weak division = great.

[IMDAZED]

i wouldnt say far better that goes back to what i said earlier about vitaly having those injuries and being away from the sport. i know that is not wlads fault but i honestly believe vitaly is the tougher fighter who would fair better in other eras of hw boxing because of his chin and ability to handle a man who can stand up to his punches

Well like I said, it's not Wladimir's fault Vitali was away. Too bad. He has the weaker resume, end of story.

[Mersey]

What difference does it make? You are in one division a long time and rule, nothing's changed.

Well, you used Calzaghe as an e.g.

Calzaghe didn't unify the division until near the end of his career. Wlad has done it and beaten every HW challenger out there and still has a long time to defend his belts.

Wlad has done everything he can at this stage of his career and still has plenty of time to defend his title even more.

There is no other great HW's around now for Wlad to beat, but you don't need to beat a great to be a great.

[IMDAZED]

Well, you used Calzaghe as an e.g.

Calzaghe didn't unify the division until near the end of his career. Wlad has done it and beaten every HW challenger out there and still has a long time to defend his belts.

Wlad has done everything he can at this stage of his career and still has plenty of time to defend his title even more.

There is no other great HW's around now for Wlad to beat, but you don't need to beat a great to be a great.

Yeah but you need to beat one before you can even be considered for being an all-time great.

[Mersey]

Yeah but you need to beat one before you can even be considered for being an all-time great.

Did Jack Dempsey beat an ATG?

[IMDAZED]

Did Jack Dempsey beat an ATG?

No, when did I say you had to beat an ATG?

[Kevin Jesus]

i love how the *******s on this forum act like only they know what real boxing is and say that because you dont like the style the fighter they like fights with they are mindless idiots who only think boxing is standing in front of each other. if you had read my posts you would know that i respect wlad as the 2nd best hw in the divison right now but that doesnt change the fact that he fights scared and my opinion is that he would be kod by the top guys from the past and also his brother.

I;m not an *******. Casual fans always want to see action, they can't stand a boxing match, they need to see two fighters hanging their chins out at all times. Even if it's 9 out 10 fights that were action packed and 1 was a boxing match they still **** on it. There are a lot of casual fans in this forum who don't really appreciate the sport of boxing.

MMA is available to these kind of fans. You get 3 rounds 5 minutes each but usually their already ***ed up in the first round.

[mellow_mood]

I;m not an *******. Casual fans always want to see action, they can't stand a boxing match, they need to see two fighters hanging their chins out at all times. Even if it's 9 out 10 fights that were action packed and 1 was a boxing match they still **** on it. There are a lot of casual fans in this forum who don't really appreciate the sport of boxing.

MMA is available to these kind of fans. You get 3 rounds 5 minutes each but usually their already ***ed up in the first round.

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