like it or not..the klit brothers ARE atg's

[S.G.]

What about Marciano?

He beat a bunch of past prime Light-Heavyweights and is considered a top 10 by many. Now do people really believe this at the end of the day or is that people don't want to go against "Rocky Marciano"?
Not sure...but either way, he is an "ATG" because of his era that he fought in, so why not the Klitschko brothers?

I wouldn't consider him nearly top 10 but IMO Marciano's record is pretty good

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I wouldn't consider him nearly top 10 but IMO Marciano's record is pretty good

Yeah, to be fair to Rocky he wasn't getting KO'd by guys like Corrie Sanders then running away from the rematch.

[ny123]

how do you know bowe or lennox would beat him???have they ever fought??no so thats your opinion......his last 2 fights both ended by ko and got him the linear title

now we are not supposed to give our opinions on a boxing forum your a ****ing tool how do we know that mosley would beat berto or that hatton would have no chance against cotto at 147? we give our opinions based off what we have seen these guys do in the ring. i respect wlads accomplishments and i do consider him the 2nd best hw in the division right now but i dont like his style of fighting and think he gets kod by other top level guys

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now we are not supposed to give our opinions on a boxing forum your a ****ing tool how do we know that mosley would beat berto or that hatton would have no chance against cotto at 147? we give our opinions based off what we have seen these guys do in the ring. i respect wlads accomplishments and i do consider him the 2nd best hw in the division right now but i dont like his style of fighting and think he gets kod by other top level guys

Wlad has beaten better opponents than Vitali over the course of his career and should be ranked higher than him. I do believe Vitali would probably beat Wlad if the two ever met. That said, ATG's? GTFOH. There are plenty of long-time champs who may be great but aren't all-time greats. The term gets thrown around so loosely. You beat Chris Arreola and Sam Peter and BOOM! ATG.

[ny123]

Ah...I see what you are saying and I can agree on some level.

So what about Vitali?

vitaly is top guy and i think he would give any hw from any era a tough fight with his chin size and power i just think his clumsy and akward style prevent him from getting the credit he deserves. he brutally kos his brother if that fight ever becomes reality

[Benny Leonard]

He's probably the most overrated fighter ever. Let's be honest, Marciano got the plateau because he had the complexion to make the connection. I'm glad you point it out, Benny. But, as I said, one wrong doesn't make the other wrong ok.

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Yes, I agree, however; that is the way the system works. Now if you and me want to discuss what an ATG standard should be that is another story. But right now if the books are being written, how many are going to view it our way over what others write down?
We can only look at the standard that is set in place and Marciano and others are listed as "ATG" fighters so that is the standard Wlad and Vitali will be judged on...like it or not.
Now if you want to write a book or an article based on your standards in order to shake up the system...that would be something needed in order for people to take a closer look at things.

[ny123]

Wlad has beaten better opponents than Vitali over the course of his career and should be ranked higher than him. I do believe Vitali would probably beat Wlad if the two ever met. That said, ATG's? GTFOH. There are plenty of long-time champs who may be great but aren't all-time greats. The term gets thrown around so loosely. You beat Chris Arreola and Sam Peter and BOOM! ATG.

the same sam peter who took wlad to hell and back that vitaly made quit on his stool? vitaly fought through injurys for the past few years and if he hadnt i think that his resume and performances would be more impressive then wlads thats my opinion i know i should be giving it on this forum but that what i think

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Yes, I agree, however; that is the way the system works. Now if you and me want to discuss what an ATG standard should be that is another story. But right now if the books are being written, how many are going to view it our way over what others write down?
We can only look at the standard that is set in place and Marciano and others are listed as "ATG" fighters so that is the standard Wlad and Vitali will be judged on...like it or not.
Now if you want to write a book or an article based on your standards in order to shake up the system...that would be something needed in order for people to take a closer look at things.

Good points. I feel bad for the Klitschko's but I don't want to bestow upon them what is simply not deserved. Is it a bad era? Yes. Can they dominate a bad era and be considered great? Yes. But ATG?? You've got to do a little more than beat up on the Ray Austin's of the world to earn that.

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the same sam peter who took wlad to hell and back that vitaly made quit on his stool? vitaly fought through injurys for the past few years and if he hadnt i think that his resume and performances would be more impressive then wlads thats my opinion i know i should be giving it on this forum but that what i think

It's not Wladimir's fault Vitali was out for four years. He's built a better resume, period.

[Mersey]

Wlad has beaten better opponents than Vitali over the course of his career and should be ranked higher than him. I do believe Vitali would probably beat Wlad if the two ever met. That said, ATG's? GTFOH. There are plenty of long-time champs who may be great but aren't all-time greats. The term gets thrown around so loosely. You beat Chris Arreola and Sam Peter and BOOM! ATG.

I asked this question yesterday in another thread. Do you know who they are?