Is Shakur overrated?

[Dakuwaqa]

I wouldn't puck him to beat either.

Jeeeez! I’m surprised.

You and Dan_Cov are the two most knowledgeable fans on here.

[HandsofIron]

No, he's the goods man.

Shakur completely toyed with Valdez at 130 lbs, made it look easy.

[GhostofDempsey]

We don’t know yet. I’d say he is untested but shows a lot of potential.

[kiaba360]

I think Shakur has a decent resume so far: Valdez, Herring, Conceicao, Nakathila, Gonzalez, Clary, "Pitufo" Diaz, and now Yoshino. Shakur is gonna have to pray that Lomachenko beats Haney.

[Mammoth]

Jeeeez! I’m surprised.

You and Dan_Cov are the two most knowledgeable fans on here.

It's hard to say that a guy who has only one fight at 135 can jump to 140 to beat the top two guys. Weight classes matter for sure. Shakur is a real talent. Probably special even but he's still the guy I saw fight extremely safely first because of Nakathila's power.

[IronDanHamza]

He’s beat good fighters with ease.

He’s a special talent IMO but of course needs to be tested more before we really know.

[IronDanHamza]

He has fought nobody and nobody here or elsewhere has seen him compete vs anyone with a pulse that would indicate he's even the best at 135 right let alone 140 where he has never competed. Tank and Haney are so many levels above that Japanese fisherman its not even funny.

Even at 135 he fought one time vs a guy who is garbage. Absolute garbage!
Its an insult to Prograis, Taylor, Zepeda and these guys who have earned their stripes, fought and beat real mother****ers at 140. Now we are picking a guy who has only just moved up into the division below and only fought once there at that vs a scrub over them?

Slow the hype and let him prove himself at 135 first.

So you are telling me, that Jamal Herring who was ranked #1 at 130, and Oscar Valdez who was ranked #2 at 130 (I think) don’t have a pulse? That’s silly.

He’s beaten more top 5 ranked guys in the division being fought in than Tank and Haney combined. What convinces you that they are levels above him when their competition level is no better than his and he’s younger than both?

[FinitoxDinamita]

I dont see anybody clamouring for his next fight.. he is rated about right I think. He is more relevant than Haney though.

Stevenson isnt some special fighter but he is above Haney and below Davis.

[dan_cov]

So you are telling me, that Jamal Herring who was ranked #1 at 130, and Oscar Valdez who was ranked #2 at 130 (I think) don’t have a pulse? That’s silly.

He’s beaten more top 5 ranked guys in the division being fought in than Tank and Haney combined. What convinces you that they are levels above him when their competition level is no better than his and he’s younger than both?

Ranked #1 how for beating a totally shot Carl Frampton who ate his way up to 130? Valdez a good fighter but at the tale end of his career in my opinion and was coming off a terrible performance/a gift and had tons of injuries. Good fighter but bad match up stylistically and certain past his best.
It doesn't impress me with these big, fresh peaking fighters beating small has-beens and guys on the way out. I'd be worried if they wasn't.

These small weights are oversaturated just littered with too many belts and too many padded records to the point you can make a case for a lot of guys being ranked wherever. Its quantity over quality. A constant stream of gatekeepers and journeymen winning belts by being in the right place at the right time then people kid themselves they're such good fighters just because they have this fascination with overrating and giving the smaller weights way too much credit.
They are held in a totally different regard. At a higher weight people would recognise it for what it is and be like ''garbage fighter who lucked out on a world title but fair play too him, he won't be holding it very long''. These baby weights there are dozens of guys with like 18-2 sort of records vs absolute nobodies, they eventually beat one barely recognisable name and suddenly they're in line for a title shot, its ridiculous.

Their competition level is much higher regardless of ratings, I mean how is Shakur #1 at 135 he has one fight there against an unknown Japanese fighter that was a literal punchbag, it makes no sense.
There are weight divisions for a reason and apart from Valdez all of Shakurs opponents have been trash tbh
I don't see Herring at the very tale end of his career or Robson whatever ever beating a Kambosos, Pitbull Cruz, Garcia, Ryan Garcia, even a Rollie would fold those boys up. Wouldn't even beat a Pedraza. Would anybody pick Herring to even beat a past it Leo Santa Cruz? I wouldn't, at any weight. Nobody gives Haney credit for destroying Zaur Abdullaev but he'd beat the brakes off anyone on Shakurs resume.

130 is a ghost town with guys like Zelfa Barrett & Ogawa in the top 10 it might currently be the weakest division there is. Nearly the whole top 10 are journeymen, gatekeepers and domestic level. There are very few there even close to being actual world class but they have to put someone #1, #2, #3 etc

[dan_cov]

There is a huge difference between these big, undefeated, hard-hitting lightweights or a highly skilled Lomachenko than some **** average, light punching boxer like Jamel Herring and I don't mean just 5lbs. And I am not saying or pretending they're great but they're worlds apart regardless what the rankings are. Levels and levels above.

Lightweight has a lot more depth and pedigree.
The whole top 10 virtually had deep amateur backgrounds. None at 130 do.
The only fighter at 130 that is undefeated in the top 10 is Joe Cordina, virtually all the others have losses to nobodies and often several times - no way at lightweight or above would they get a pass or be recognised as anything but a journeyman/gatekeeper, hardly any of them have beaten anyone actually decent or recognisable outside of Japan.
You look at 135 you have Shakur, Tank, Haney, Martin, Zepeda and most of the others with losses have lost to one of former/the big three.

They all have a lot to prove still and to fight each other which thankfully we're starting to get but none have to prove themselves more at Lightweight than Shakur, he has done nothing. He is all eye-test against highly limited, smaller fighters who frankly aren't elite or have had better days.