Comments Thread For: Hearn: Zhang is Not Elite, Joshua Would Ping Joyce Absolutely Everywhere

[JakeTheBoxer]

Zhang vs AJ would be a good fight. I think It it would end early tbh. Zhang probably favourite now

And Hearn knows this. It is easier to run your mouth than put your guy with the ring with Zhang.

[TMLT87]

I'm not writing off Joyce against AJ or in a rematch with Zhang, still think hes got a good shot in either fight. Yeah sure AJ might "ping him everywhere" but Joyce is durable and its not hard to see a war of attrition going in his favour.

As for Zhang vs AJ. I'd favour AJ but if he won it'd be his best win in a long time.

[Toffee]

I'm not writing off Joyce against AJ or in a rematch with Zhang, still think hes got a good shot in either fight. Yeah sure AJ might "ping him everywhere" but Joyce is durable and its not hard to see a war of attrition going in his favour.

As for Zhang vs AJ. I'd favour AJ but if he won it'd be his best win in a long time.

Very different fights. Joyce would be trying to take Joshua into the later rounds, but I expect he'd get beaten up on the way. Joshua would be trying to take Zhang to the latter rounds and stay away from his left hand early.

I think Joshua wins both on points fairly comfortably. Possibly he stops Joyce.

[letsgochump]

Zhang has now looked good against Hrgovic and Joyce. The common thing between these two opponents is that neither have any defensive skills. They are tailor-made for Zhang's counter left. Both just love their own size and power and like to impose that on the opponent who usually are smaller. Well Zhang is bigger and he can punch so he is hard for Filip or Joe.

Zhang looked awful against southpaw Forrest. Zhang is no boogeyman, if Joyce had any idea how to avoid the left counter, be it movement or blocking, he would have won by late KO as Zhang was starting to tire in the 5th and 6th.

Zhang is fine, he has decent skills but poor engine. He will not be a major threat anymore just like he never has been. This fight was Joe Joyce being ****** and also facing a stylistically hard fight. However he doesn't need a big improvement for the rematch, just being a bit smarter about the left counter and he can drag the chinaman to the late rounds and break him with pressure.

However, the writing is on the wall. Joyce can be stopped by a defensively oriented approach relying on hard counters when Joyce walks in. It was there before but now someone has actually done it.

I think Joshua would be able to get the UD against Joyce but it would be a good fight to see. Zhang vs Joshua is also a good fight as both carry power and Joshua has exp against southpaws unlike Joyce. These kind of fights should happen as they are interesting. Unlike Fury vs Chisora 3 and other pre-determined bouts.

[The plunger man]

Ironically joshua beat both of these fighters at high level amateur championships .....Joe joyce ABA and zhang semi final olympics 2012 and it will probably be the same outcome........I have never rated Joe Joyce and to me always came across as a walking punch bag without any punch power.....just stamina and chin but that chin has now shown it can be hurt......Hearn is right he is right when he says joshua will hit him all night and bust him up.
zhang is a bit different t he can box and he’s a southpaw with great power so anything can happen.

Rumour is it’s joshua vs wilder in December in the Middle East

[hugh grant]

Zhang is not a elite fighter, he quite simply has not achieved the wins 'And he has never captured a World title'.

Zhang possibly could be rated as a high end world level fighter, but that is as high as he can be rated currently right now etc.

Yes by your interpretation Zhang is not elite, and if so called elite s like usyk and fury duck zhang, Zhang can stay non elite for all time. Who did fury beat to be elite btw? Old wlad who'd been beaten by Sanders, and that American. So is Sanders elite also? Was wilder an elite, being a champion But not beating anyone of note, it's clear other things need to be considered.

In others interpretations, usy k and fury denying Zhang a fight as they don't think they'd best Zhang makes Zhang elite without any wins over elites, but only elite like performances under belt.....zhangs win over Joyce is like how youd imagine an elite would best joyce

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I don't really rate Joshua but I'd pick him to comfortably outbox Zhang.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Zhang is not a elite fighter, he quite simply has not achieved the wins 'And he has never captured a World title'.

Zhang possibly could be rated as a high end world level fighter, but that is as high as he can be rated currently right now etc.

Unfortunately your "elites" fight Chisora/helenius/Franklin alike guys only.

And Usyk has been sitting on his belts for 8 months already.

Maybe your elites should fight somebody?

[hugh grant]

Unfortunately your "elites" fight Chisora/helenius/Franklin alike guys only.

And Usyk has been sitting on his belts for 8 months already.

Maybe your elites should fight somebody?

Fury s elite by beating old wlad, and wilder who'd not beaten anyone as good as joyce.
Its fair to say being an elite is open to interpretation and opinion, there's no right and wrong

[Kzbox]

Fury s elite by beating old wlad, and wilder who'd not beaten anyone as good as joyce.
Its fair to say being an elite ovarian to interpretation and opinion, there's no right and wrong

It's easy to dismiss Furys win against Wlad but the fact remains Fury beat a 10 + year undefeated Wlad yet AJ beats a 2 year out the ring, older, lost to Fury last Wlad yet we respect him for it? I said this before who has AJ beaten prime other than Parker and Whyte?

I don't see why boxing fans have to see things in so black and white as i say if Usyk lost to Dubois next he would get called overrated, a short arse, doesn't belong in the division, only beat a glass chin Aj blahblah can never win with boxing fans.