James Toney vs Canelo ? (Prime for Prime )

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  • BoxingParadigm
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    #21
    Originally posted by IronDanHamza

    Not sure what that has to do with the stylistic match up.

    Canelo’s problem statically is foot movement and fast feet. Two areas Toney is weak in.

    The style match up doesn’t favour Toney at all.
    That's what I thought you were thinking. Fighters don't need to have fast feet to have a stylistic advantage over Canelo. Toney's fluidness, durability and stamina would give him the advantage over Canelo from what I can see. That doesn't mean I think Toney is Canelo's kryptonite, I actually think it would be a very competitive fight with Canelo having a real shot of winning via decision, but I favor Toney.

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    • PRINCEKOOL
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      #22
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza

      Not sure what that has to do with the stylistic match up.

      Canelo’s problem statically is foot movement and fast feet. Two areas Toney is weak in.

      The style match up doesn’t favour Toney at all.
      Alvarez and Toney are both strong in the same area's 'But Toney is better in those area's'.

      Toney's offense and defense on attack is superior to Alvarez's.

      Toney's endurance and durability is also more proven.

      It is not a bad stylistic match up for ether fighter 'Neither fighter has super great movement'.

      But again both fighters are educated with their movement, and on the inside 'Toney's stepping movements, for me are better than Alvarez's'.

      Skill for skill they are not miles apart. But Alvarez definitely is not superior to Toney in any department.

      Toney also has more gears. So when you combine all of those strengths for Toney 'For me he will be the fighter winning most of the rounds'.

      I am not sure why you think this match up does not favor Toney? Alvarez does not have great movement, his stamina and endurance is nothing great, and he is not a monster puncher 'So what exactly is meant to intimidate Toney?'.

      It is a good fight for both fighters stylistically, it would be a competitive fight 'But James Toney is just too good at what he does'.
      Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 04-12-2023, 05:14 PM.

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      • IronDanHamza
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        #23
        Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

        Alvarez and Toney are both strong in the same area's 'But Toney is better in those area's'.

        Toney's offense and defense on attack is superior to Alvarez's.

        Toney's endurance and durability is also more proven.

        It is not a bad stylistic match up for ether fighter 'Neither fighter has super great movement'.

        But again both fighters are educated with their movement, and on the inside 'Toney's stepping movements, for me are better than Alvarez's'.

        Skill for skill they are not miles apart. But Alvarez definitely is not superior to Toney in any department.

        Toney also has more gears. So when you combine all of those strengths for Toney 'For me he will be the fighter winning most of the rounds'.

        I am not sure why you think this match up does not favor Toney? Alvarez does not have great movement, his stamina and endurance is nothing great, and he is not a monster puncher 'So what exactly is meant to intimidate Toney?'.

        It is a good fight for both fighters stylistically, it would be a competitive fight 'But James Toney is just too good at what he does'.
        Why do you always randomly put quote marks on random sentences for no reason? Are you aware that isn’t how the English language works?

        In all honesty, Toney isn’t superior to Canelo in any area. Maybe stamina, but Toney has faded down the stretch on multiple occasions aswell.

        Its likely a SD type of fight.
        Last edited by IronDanHamza; 04-12-2023, 05:37 PM.

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        • EmpiresBoxing
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          #24
          If james toney don't use PEDS he will be and easy work for canelo.

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          • PRINCEKOOL
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            #25
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza

            Why do you always randomly put quote marks on random sentences for no reason? Are you aware that isn’t how the English language works?

            In all honesty, Toney isn’t superior to Canelo in any area. Maybe stamina, but Toney has faded down the stretch on multiple occasions aswell.

            Its likely a SD type of fight.
            Toney's durability is more proven, by the very fact he has been able to be competitive at 175, 190 and in the Heavyweight division 'Toney actually campaigned in this weight classes, he did not just have one fight here and there'.

            I would say at-least in 4 area's Toney is superior to Alvarez 'Offense, defense, durability and stamina'.

            They are pretty much level in all other area's 'But Toney is just that much better in the area's where both fighters excel'.

            Overall it is a competitive fight, it is not a bad match up stylistically for ether fighter 'But it is a tough fight for both fighters'.
            Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 04-12-2023, 09:21 PM.

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            • QueensburyRules
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              #26
              Originally posted by El_Mero

              Saul would want it at his favorite Taco shop
              - - Then Montezuma KOs Two Ton...easy $$$...

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                #27
                I have no idea but this would be an interesting matchup. I really would like to see who would be the slicker, craftier counterpuncher

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                • IronDanHamza
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

                  Toney's durability is more proven, by the very fight he has been able to be competitive at 175, 190 and in the Heavyweight division 'Toney actually campaigned in this weight classes, he did not just have one fight here and there'.

                  I would say at-least in 4 area's Toney is superior to Alvarez 'Offense, defense, durability and stamina'.

                  They are pretty much level in all other area's 'But Toney is just that much better in the area's where both fighters excel'.

                  Overall it is a competitive fight, it is not a bad match up stylistically for ether fighter 'But it is a tough fight for both fighters'.
                  You’re doing it again. Why do you put random quotation marks on random sentences for no reason? Is English your first language?

                  Canelo has shown no weakness at all in durability. Canelo never been dropped. Toney got dropped at 160 and 168.

                  He’s not superior on offence, and he’s not superior in defence.

                  Stamina you can argue. But that’s it really.

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                  • Hustle
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                    #29
                    Toney would take him to the same Michigan school Floyd took him.

                    Toney is to big. To rough. To slick for Canelo in my opinion

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Hustle
                      Toney would take him to the same Michigan school Floyd took him.

                      Toney is to big. To rough. To slick for Canelo in my opinion

                      Toney isn't nearly as quick as Floyd.


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