Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua Says Next Fight Will Be in December, Describes It as 'Not Ideal'

[BlackRobb]

Whyte was mandatory whether you like it or not.

Not sure what Chisora has to do with anything. That's all about Fury.

If your argument is that Fury holds up the division then, yes, I'll agree. He went 20 months before fighting Wilder, including negotiating with the other belt holder so they weren't fighting either. Then mucked around for 7 months with Whyte and the WBC over split, and has pretty much taken the last 12 months off save for an exhibition against Chisora and playing his negotiating games with Usyk.

Is there a monopoly on the belts? No, mandatories are getting their opportunities. It's actually an unusually fruitful time for heavyweight mandatories. They've been getting the fights they've earned(however dubious the process might be). WBC might be a slight exception to that but they ordered the Whyte fight and they've ordered Ruiz/Wilder.

If a heavyweight wants a title fight... Build your reputation and fight for a mandatory spot. Too many are doing neither and then complaining that they're being avoided.

How can you with a straight face say that all mandatories are getting their shots when Daniel Dubois is in line in front of Joe Joyce??? The fact that Joyce smashed Dubois and will likely get a shot after Dubois is patently disgraceful.

[PRINCEKOOL]

How can you with a straight face say that all mandatories are getting their shots when Daniel Dubois is in line in front of Joe Joyce??? The fact that Joyce smashed Dubois and will likely get a shot after Dubois is patently disgraceful.

Dubois took the right tactical fights after his loss to Joyce. Beating Trevor Byrant away from home, was a bit of a risk 'But also a good long term tactical move'.

I am not sure who's decision this was, Frank Warren's or somebody within Dubois's personal team?

Joyce for me could and can be promoted better. Is the Zhang fight really necessary? Probably not.

A fight vs Hrgovic would be better match making and a more long term beneficial tactical move etc.

If you look at the match making of Joyce, team Hayemaker done brilliantly with him 'But I would say after his win vs Dubois Joyce has not quite been maximized'.

This is in part down to many other Heavyweights not really wanting to fight him 'But I am sure if the rewards where big enough to fight him, fighters would take that opportunity'.

[Toffee]

How can you with a straight face say that all mandatories are getting their shots when Daniel Dubois is in line in front of Joe Joyce??? The fact that Joyce smashed Dubois and will likely get a shot after Dubois is patently disgraceful.

It was 4 fights and 2 and a half years ago that Joyce beat Dubois (not smashed, beat). Dubois actually came back quicker than Joyce and won the WBA interim. That gave him a fight for the WBA Regular which he's held for nearly a year. And the WBA is next in the rotation. Which was no secret. He's the next mandatory, he's earned it, and he's getting it.

Others could have taken those fights and that path. They didn't. Joyce went the WBO route which everyone knew would be Usyk and then go to the end of the line. Hopefully he'll get his shot when it's his turn.

So how do you think this should work in the 4 belt era?

[BlackRobb]

It was 4 fights and 2 and a half years ago that Joyce beat Dubois (not smashed, beat). Dubois actually came back quicker than Joyce and won the WBA interim. That gave him a fight for the WBA Regular which he's held for nearly a year. And the WBA is next in the rotation. Which was no secret. He's the next mandatory, he's earned it, and he's getting it.

Others could have taken those fights and that path. They didn't. Joyce went the WBO route which everyone knew would be Usyk and then go to the end of the line. Hopefully he'll get his shot when it's his turn.

So how do you think this should work in the 4 belt era?

In a sane world, Dubois does not get ANY title shot before Joyce does. Who has Dubois beaten, Trevor Bryan? That's laughable. The entire division is a joke. I blame Fury because aside from the three Wilder bouts, he's done nothing but massage the green belt. Ideally, the sanctioning bodies would all enforce their mandatory timelines more strictly than they have. Many of these guys have hidden behind the unification exemption. This madness has to stop.

[kafkod]

Dubois took the right tactical fights after his loss to Joyce. Beating Trevor Byrant away from home, was a bit of a risk 'But also a good long term tactical move'.

I am not sure who's decision this was, Frank Warren's or somebody within Dubois's personal team?

Joyce for me could and can be promoted better. Is the Zhang fight really necessary? Probably not.

A fight vs Hrgovic would be better match making and a more long term beneficial tactical move etc.

If you look at the match making of Joyce, team Hayemaker done brilliantly with him 'But I would say after his win vs Dubois Joyce has not quite been maximized'.

This is in part down to many other Heavyweights not really wanting to fight him 'But I am sure if the rewards where big enough to fight him, fighters would take that opportunity'.

It was 4 fights and 2 and a half years ago that Joyce beat Dubois (not smashed, beat). Dubois actually came back quicker than Joyce and won the WBA interim. That gave him a fight for the WBA Regular which he's held for nearly a year. And the WBA is next in the rotation. Which was no secret. He's the next mandatory, he's earned it, and he's getting it.

Others could have taken those fights and that path. They didn't. Joyce went the WBO route which everyone knew would be Usyk and then go to the end of the line. Hopefully he'll get his shot when it's his turn.

So how do you think this should work in the 4 belt era?

It was 4 fights and 2 and a half years ago that Joyce beat Dubois (not smashed, beat). Dubois actually came back quicker than Joyce and won the WBA interim. That gave him a fight for the WBA Regular which he's held for nearly a year. And the WBA is next in the rotation. Which was no secret. He's the next mandatory, he's earned it, and he's getting it.

Others could have taken those fights and that path. They didn't. Joyce went the WBO route which everyone knew would be Usyk and then go to the end of the line. Hopefully he'll get his shot when it's his turn.

So how do you think this should work in the 4 belt era?

Joyce and Dubois are both promoted by Frank Warren. Joyce beat Dubois in the ring and also beat him to a mandatory world title position.

But the way the cookie crumbled, Dubois' WBA mando ended up being ordered before Joyce's WBO shot. That's boxing in the 4 belt era for you!

[JakeTheBoxer]

In a sane world, Dubois does not get ANY title shot before Joyce does. Who has Dubois beaten, Trevor Bryan? That's laughable. The entire division is a joke. I blame Fury because aside from the three Wilder bouts, he's done nothing but massage the green belt. Ideally, the sanctioning bodies would all enforce their mandatory timelines more strictly than they have. Many of these guys have hidden behind the unification exemption. This madness has to stop.

That is how elimination works.

It was no secret WBA was the first in rotation since Joshua fought WBA mandatory Povetkin a long ago.

It was no secret a paper champ Bryan was a great chance for everybody.

[Toffee]

In a sane world, Dubois does not get ANY title shot before Joyce does. Who has Dubois beaten, Trevor Bryan? That's laughable. The entire division is a joke. I blame Fury because aside from the three Wilder bouts, he's done nothing but massage the green belt. Ideally, the sanctioning bodies would all enforce their mandatory timelines more strictly than they have. Many of these guys have hidden behind the unification exemption. This madness has to stop.

The funny thing is, most of us want an undisputed champ, which is completely at odds with fighters getting chances. Unified champs don't get mandatories for each org every 12 months, they get them in rotation. And champs can claim undisputed negotiations and hold up the entire division.

You can see why the multitude of orgs continues when it seems to suit all parties.

[BlackRobb]

The funny thing is, most of us want an undisputed champ, which is completely at odds with fighters getting chances. Unified champs don't get mandatories for each org every 12 months, they get them in rotation. And champs can claim undisputed negotiations and hold up the entire division.

You can see why the multitude of orgs continues when it seems to suit all parties.

Yes. Every sanctioning body gets a drink at the trough. Sanctioning fees are what keeps these shady crooks afloat.

[cruz1383]

How many fights did Fury need with Sugar Hill?

well first off Fury is not a guy that has lost his confidence and is in a shell. Essentially Fury wasn't beat to $ht by an over weight taco and didn't have his soul taken by not only the over weight taco but by Usyk a fighter that is not built for HW.

Fury is also a different breed of fighter like a Floyd with his tenacity and will, he is also an astute learner of the sport so it was easier for him to be able to go from a boxing first to a more ruff and gritty style.