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  • kafkod
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    Why nobody won The Richest Prize In Sport

    I'm going to start with some advice for anybody who wants to find out as much as they can about why negotiations for The Richest Prize In Sport, the undisputed heavyweight title fight between Usyk and Fury, broke down. There are interviews with Frank Warren and Alex Krassyuk online. If you want to know what both guys said about the negotiations, and about the rematch clause fall-out, don't just read articles telling you snippets of what was said - go and listen to those interviews for yourself.

    I did that and this is what I found out:

    Usyk and Fury both agreed to a 50/50 split last year. Fury asked for a rematch clause to be included in the contract and Usyk agreed. They would obviously have both agreed on the rematch split too, because both sides were saying that all terms had been agreed. But what the rematch split would have been if the first fight had gone ahead with a 50/50 split hasn't been revealed, so far as I know.

    According the Saudi head of boxing, Fury priced himself out of the fight in S A by demanding more money for himself than the whole event would have generated for both guys. The proposed location was switched to the UK and Fury demanded a 70/30 split, in his favour, which Usyk agreed to.

    It seems reasonable to me that, because the split for the 1st fight had been changed, the rematch split would need changing too, because they were both part of the same original deal. Usyk proposed that the rematch split should be 70/30 in favour of the winner, which seems like a very fair proposition to me. But Fury refused that and demanded 50% for himself, even if he lost the first fight. Usyk wouldn't accept that and Fury went on social media saying, "let's get rid of the rematch clause altogether"

    Usyk then walked away from the negotiations. His promoter said the reason he walked was because Fury was being unreasonable and they didn't believe he had any intention of fighting on the agreed date.

    Fury's trainer, Sugar Hill Steward, revealed that he hadn't been been told anything about Fury fighting on April 29th, which suggests to me that Usyk and Krassyuk were right, Fury had no intention of fighting on that date and they were wasting their time and money training and negotiating for it themselves.​
    Last edited by kafkod; 04-06-2023, 10:19 AM.
  • leeroy84
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    Both wanted more than could be generated on April 29th. It was just greed from both sides. Now, I'm not saying I wouldnt do the same, but the orgs and the promotors have truly ruined the sport this way.
    I just hope the fight comes to fruition at some point, they both need each other for legacy IMO. Which is funny, because Usyks legacy would of been just fine had he not moved to heavyweight. Furys legacy is questionable to start with but would be cemented with beating Usyk.
    Last edited by leeroy84; 04-06-2023, 10:58 AM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by leeroy84
      Both wanted more than could be generated on April 29th. .
      usyk had as far as i know agreed his cash with the saudis, where did u find this out differently?

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        #4
        Originally posted by kafkod

        According the Saudi head of boxing, Fury priced himself out of the fight in S A by demanding more money for himself than the whole event would have generated for both guys. ;
        what an absolute dope to do that, did he think he would get that cash in the UK after it fell through, surely even a reasonable fee for both guys in saudi would exceed what they would get in the uk, i presume that is

        why did fury walk away from saudi and then attempt to negotiate a much lesser deal in the uk?



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          Originally posted by Smash

          usyk had as far as i know agreed his cash with the saudis, where did u find this out differently?
          There was no Saudi on April 29th, that date was reserved for Wembley. Hence less money than they both wanted.

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            #6
            Originally posted by leeroy84

            There was no Saudi on April 29th, that date was reserved for Wembley. Hence less money than they both wanted.
            there was a fight until fury demanded the kitchen sink, saudis said get lost, fury the only guy to ever price himself out of the middle east it seems lol

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              Originally posted by Smash

              there was a fight until fury demanded the kitchen sink, saudis said get lost, fury the only guy to ever price himself out of the middle east it seems lol
              Who are you talking to? Me, or are you arguing with yourself?

              Read my post. I never mentioned Saudi once. If Usyk wanted it at Wembley he could of had it, Fury priced himself out at his end and Usyk walked.

              Greed over the sport from both parties.
              Last edited by leeroy84; 04-06-2023, 12:14 PM.

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                #8
                Originally posted by leeroy84

                Who are you talking to? Me, or are you arguing with yourself?

                Read my post. I never mentioned Saudi once. If Usyk wanted it at Wembley he could of had it, Fury priced himself out at his end and Usyk walked.

                Greed over the sport from both parties.
                there was a deal for saudi on april 29th tho, google it yourself if u want, its clear, thats when they hoped the saudi event would take place

                u mention a date and expect me to mind read u, april 29 was the date they wanted the fight on

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                  Originally posted by Smash

                  there was a deal for saudi on april 29th tho, google it yourself if u want, its clear, thats when they hoped the saudi event would take place

                  u mention a date and expect me to mind read u, april 29 was the date they wanted the fight on
                  Never knew about the Saudi date in April, I'd appreciate a link? As far as I knew, the stadium wasnt going to be ready in April but Wembley was booked. Do you know where in Saudi? I'd be interested to know. All I see is the Mike Coppinger quote and Arum of late

                  Promoter Bob Arum says negotiations between Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk were destined to “unravel” after a deal was unable to be consummated with investors in the Middle East.


                  My point stands though, Wembley does not make enough at all and Usyk walked due to Furys demands. Both said they cared about legacy over money, both lied.
                  Last edited by leeroy84; 04-06-2023, 12:28 PM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by leeroy84

                    Never knew about the Saudi date in April, I'd appreciate a link? As far as I knew, the stadium wasnt going to be ready in April but Wembley was booked. Do you know where in Saudi? I'd be interested to know.

                    https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...-london/257485

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