Comments Thread For: Lomachenko: In My Mind, I'm Undefeated - That's Why I Sleep Very Well

[crimsonfalcon07]

I recommend watching it again and really looking at the punches, at what gets through and what is blocked. This was the same with the Ortiz fight, where Loma blocked a lot of his punches (or slipped them). I mean, look at Loma's face. He had one abrasion on his face that didn't even come from a punch but from the tape on Ortiz's forearm. After than, his faced looked as if it hadn't been touched. Yet some how Ortiz landed near a hundred punches to Loma's face. LMAO!!! **** is so ridiculous.

We could do a test where I punch a guy a 100 times in the face with 8 oz gloves, and then we see what it looks like and compare it to Loma's face. Compubox is a joke (which is nothing new).

I think this is just definitional. You only count a punch if it lands flush, while I think the more normal definition is that it counts if it lands, even if it's partially defended, either by gloves, or body defense/footwork.

I do think that Lopez's power made Loma more cautious than usual. And Lopez was doing things that made it more difficult for Loma, but in the end, Loma found a way. I finally understand what he was trying to do and what adjustment he made. If you look in the beginning, he countered Lopez finally with a three-piece, and in that three-piece was a right hook, almost an overhand. That's Lopez's weakness. But that's why his shoulder felt messed up. After that, there were no more right hooks or overhands. It was just straight jabs over the top. That's where you see how he was affected. Low punch output and no uppercuts or hooks with the right. That rotation was too painful, so he just used a jab conservatively.

I'm not sure I agree fully. Loma was favoring the shoulder even during warm-ups, which most people don't rewatch, and he's historically been a slow starter. That may really come back to bite him against Haney, who's been good at banking early rounds. I think he's going to need to come out a lot more aggressive than his usual.

But I've thought this whole time that Lopez got way more credit than he deserved, and we already saw that against Kambosos, and then again against Martin. He could be something, but he got really arrogant and hasn't evolved at all. He reminds me of Berlanga. They're both their own worst enemies (although his pops is a jackass).

Oh, and I'm pretty sure I'm the other poster that JJB thought was your alt (short for alternate account). In case you were curious. He bases accusations purely on whether someone agrees with him, and seems to do that pretty regularly.

[Cypocryphy]

I think this is just definitional. You only count a punch if it lands flush, while I think the more normal definition is that it counts if it lands, even if it's partially defended, either by gloves, or body defense/footwork.

The rule is "clean punches" and that's qualified by effectiveness. If a punch is partially blocked, you think that's a clean punch?

Here's how that criterium is judged:

A “clean” blow is one that lands on an opponent without being blocked. Sometimes, when the punch makes a loud noise and seems like it made contact, it actually just hit their glove or barely made any type of contact. If a punch does not land flush on an opponent, it is not deemed a clean punch.

So that's now how you judge a fight. The punch has to land cleanly.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure I'm the other poster that JJB thought was your alt (short for alternate account). In case you were curious. He bases accusations purely on whether someone agrees with him, and seems to do that pretty regularly.

lol Yes, that's true.

[crimsonfalcon07]

The rule is "clean punches" and that's qualified by effectiveness. If a punch is partially blocked, you think that's a clean punch?

Here's how that criterium is judged:

A “clean” blow is one that lands on an opponent without being blocked. Sometimes, when the punch makes a loud noise and seems like it made contact, it actually just hit their glove or barely made any type of contact. If a punch does not land flush on an opponent, it is not deemed a clean punch.

So that's now how you judge a fight. The punch has to land cleanly.




lol Yes, that's true.

To be a bit more precise, punches can look like they landed flush, because they landed clearly and "cleanly" on the body or head in scoring areas, but because they were partially defended on the way in, or because the fighter was doing a body defense, such as rotational or using footwork or other movement to ride the punch, it loses a lot of the effect, be that pop or penetrative power. But those punches still get counted as scoring punches on a regular basis, and on many of them, the average viewer, or even judges, score them even though they were actually defended by the fighter. Many of those even trained observers can't tell the difference until they go back and watch closely on a replay, or even close-in, and things like sound, as you mentioned, or even crowd reaction get factored in. Effectiveness of punches is generally a fundamentally subjective criteria to the outside observer, absent clear effect such as wobbling them with the shot. It's not an exact science, but you sound like you're treating it like it is. Maybe if boxing had standardized rules about playback reviews and such, but if you're trying to tell me that boxing judging is exact, we aren't going to agree about that.

[Jab jab boom]

So despite the video evidence, you still want to live in your fantasy world? Boxing is not for you. Reality is not for you. Nobody buys your agenda driven bull****. The truth of the matter is that most people don’t believe he lost the fight because they’ve watched it again now and realized Lopez barely landed anything. I know it hurts

. That’s not video evidence. There are videos on YouTube that try to convince people that the earth is flat, Angels have come from heaven and caused lightening, and that Bigfoot exists. That’s video evidence to you? If you believe that a biased 4 min video captures what actually happened over 36 min in a fight, and clearly doesn’t understand how fights are scored, then you’re the one who is detached from reality (more so than even loma and his delusional belief that he’s undefeated) and should consider a sport other than boxing to follow. Might I suggest cricket? That might be more your speed.

[IronDanHamza]

In his mind only.

[illpapi]

Loma threw nothing for 6 rounds.

What the hell do you call that?

Even Broner has a higher output.

At the end of the day who's fault is that? Lopez? Exactly! That's on Loma, period! I mean if you and I have a scrap and I don't do what I'm supposed to do then I guess I can go around saying he didn't beat me because I didn't do A B and C. That's not how life works.

[BodyBagz]

The mind is a beautiful thing

[Combat Talk Radio]

At the end of the day who's fault is that? Lopez? Exactly! That's on Loma, period! I mean if you and I have a scrap and I don't do what I'm supposed to do then I guess I can go around saying he didn't beat me because I didn't do A B and C. That's not how life works.

That's exactly what he said (eventually). He lost. Teo didn't beat him, he beat himself. Period.

[Jwil20]

Loma still downloading the Teo fight...
I just rewatched that fight, Loma lost plain as day. Though I think had it been 15 rounds who knows. Teo size was definitely a factor early but towards the end Loma was like “f$uk it” started putting Teo in weird sports with angles and counters.

[arumhaymonhearn]

that was a nice thankyou to team haney for making the fight happen, good to see a level of respect between them, may the best man on the night win, no excuses

spoken a little too soon

loma definitely made excuses once again