Comments Thread For: Lomachenko: In My Mind, I'm Undefeated - That's Why I Sleep Very Well

[Cypocryphy]

save your lame excuses and groupie fandom sh** for someone else. Blaming an injury from 2 1/2 yrs before the Lopez fight as the reason for his loss is as corny as blaming a loss on a heavy robe. It wasn’t bad enough for him to not be able to beat pedraza , Crolla and Campbell but suddenly it was completely unusable vs Lopez? ***outtaherewithdatbullshet. You lomasexualas are a weirdo fan base. What’s your excuse for him going life and death with ortiz in his last fight?

I should have expected as much. lol You said that if he had hurt his arm, then he wouldn't be able to throw. I pointed out that he dislocated his arm fighting Linares and was able to throw, which disproves everything you were saying in your post. You can be hurt and still manage to throw punches, albeit not being as effective as before. I'm sure there are reading comprehension classes at your community college. Check it out. lol

(And by the way, that is the origin of his shoulder problem. The first surgery he had before the Pedraza fight wasn't effective, and he aggravated the injury training for Lopez. I'm sure here on boxing scene they reported the TUE he received before the fight.)

[MaksBox]

There is "act as if..." and then there is delusional. Loma is acting delusional... He has been a habitual late starter and phoned it in, resting on his natural abilities. Unfortunately there are others who are meaningfully bigger or also gifted in their own way and you cannot mail it in.

I am afraid that if this is his attitude, he really may get beat down by Haney.... and then we will see the "I was ripped off by the judges" again.

[Jab jab boom]

I should have expected as much. lol You said that if he had hurt his arm, then he wouldn't be able to throw. I pointed out that he dislocated his arm fighting Linares and was able to throw, which disproves everything you were saying in your post. You can be hurt and still manage to throw punches, albeit not being as effective as before. I'm sure there are reading comprehension classes at your community college. Check it out. lol

(And by the way, that is the origin of his shoulder problem. The first surgery he had before the Pedraza fight wasn't effective, and he aggravated the injury training for Lopez. I'm sure here on boxing scene they reported the TUE he received before the fight.)

I never said if he hurt his arm he would bet be able to throw. What I said to the other poster (unless that was you using an alt account ) was that loma didn’t just choose to give Teo 7 rounds and that saying Teo had nothing to do with that win is ******. Now you hopped your emotional ass into that debate to make meaningless and irrelevant points. Loma lost that fight and nobody but his ball licking fan boys care about the excuses as to why. So you and your alt account can fook off.

[StoptheFight]

Love loma, but he lost the Teo fight and the Salido fight was not a robbery, close fight either way. Also, while i'll be rooting for Loma, I think haney wins a close but comfortable decision.

[Cypocryphy]

I never said if he hurt his arm he would bet be able to throw. What I said to the other poster (unless that was you using an alt account ) was that loma didn’t just choose to give Teo 7 rounds and that saying Teo had nothing to do with that win is ******. Now you hopped your emotional ass into that debate to make meaningless and irrelevant points. Loma lost that fight and nobody but his ball licking fan boys care about the excuses as to why. So you and your alt account can fook off.

First, I don't have an alt and I don't know who you're talking about. Second, I agree with you that Loma didn't choose to give up those rounds and that Teo had nothing to do with Loma losing those rounds. It was a multitude of reasons. One was Loma's arm popping (his words) at the end of the second (which makes sense because he pulverized Lopez's face at the end, causing his wife to squeal in the audience and Lopez's cutman to immediately bring out the ice and endswell for that shinner growing on his face). Then Loma just went kind of dominant after that, not really throwing combos, so it makes sense.

There are a bunch of people who have made videos punch counts for this fight, one from Ring Magazine (no association with Top Rank) and one recently from some YouTube channel going through and doing punch counts for fights that people debate.

I'll post the video here, and you can see that Loma should have won that fight against Teo.

One below is from Ring Magazine:

You watch that tell me if you still think Loma lost.

(Just watched the beginning. In the second round, Loma threw a hook off the lead, and then after that, he never threw that punch again. That lead hook is when his shoulder popped. After that, it was all straight punches for the lead, which is too bad, because that lead hook would have destroyed Lopez. You can see how effective it would have been.)

[Jab jab boom]

First, I don't have an alt and I don't know who you're talking about. Second, I agree with you that Loma didn't choose to give up those rounds and that Teo had nothing to do with Loma losing those rounds. It was a multitude of reasons. One was Loma's arm popping (his words) at the end of the second (which makes sense because he pulverized Lopez's face at the end, causing his wife to squeal in the audience and Lopez's cutman to immediately bring out the ice and endswell for that shinner growing on his face). Then Loma just went kind of dominant after that, not really throwing combos, so it makes sense.

There are a bunch of people who have made videos punch counts for this fight, one from Ring Magazine (no association with Top Rank) and one recently from some YouTube channel going through and doing punch counts for fights that people debate.

I'll post the video here, and you can see that Loma should have won that fight against Teo.

One below is from Ring Magazine:

You watch that tell me if you still think Loma lost.

(Just watched the beginning. In the second round, Loma threw a hook off the lead, and then after that, he never threw that punch again. That lead hook is when his shoulder popped. After that, it was all straight punches for the lead, which is too bad, because that lead hook would have destroyed Lopez. You can see how effective it would have been.)

that video was the most ridiculous sh** I’ve ever seen. Lmaoooooooo. Ok you’re beyond the point of having a reasonable debate if that’s your go to and you really believe Lopez landed 26 punches over the entire fight. Have a good day.

[Cypocryphy]

that video was the most ridiculous sh** I’ve ever seen. Lmaoooooooo. Ok you’re beyond the point of having a reasonable debate if that’s your go to and you really believe Lopez landed 26 punches over the entire fight. Have a good day.

So despite the video evidence, you still want to live in your fantasy world? Boxing is not for you. Reality is not for you. Nobody buys your agenda driven bull****. The truth of the matter is that most people don’t believe he lost the fight because they’ve watched it again now and realized Lopez barely landed anything. I know it hurts

[crimsonfalcon07]

In fairness, Lopez did land more shots than that, but really didn't land much flush. He was about 27% connect rate, which is really low for Lopez's usual.

But JJB is clearly delusional. Heck, we got guys in here that think that Salido won 12 rounds. Loma started slow, as is common for him. Every actual expert analysis of that fight thought that if it had been a 14 rounder like they used to be, Loma would have won. Look at their faces at the end of the fight and tell me who you'd rather be.

No, Lopez didn't do crap to affect Loma. Loma was throwing virtually nothing from the first round before Lopez ever touched him. When people are fighting conservative because they're afraid of the power, they don't open up later in the fight. Watch Butler v Inoue if you want to see what that looks like. And that always starts after they take a clean shot, which Lopez didn't land in the early rounds. Loma wasn't rocked even once in those rounds.

And what kind of delusional idiot doesn't see that the guy had surgery the very next day? There's literally no evidence whatsoever for the "Lopez did something that made Loma afraid to engage." Nobody has ever been able to point to even a single punch that might support that asinine theory. And Lopez hasn't evolved his game at all in at least 5 fights. The only thing that can be said for Lopez is that he fought back like a champion in 12. But then he got dropped and schooled by his mandatory, who was a MASSIVE underdog, even if he was apparently sick in that fight.

JJB is just a hater, who turns to ad hominem attacks when confronted with logic, and parrots other people's thoughts. Notice how there's never been a single shred of supporting evidence of any kind in any of his/her/their posts.

[Cypocryphy]

In fairness, Lopez did land more shots than that, but really didn't land much flush. He was about 27% connect rate, which is really low for Lopez's usual.

But it's true, Lopez didn't land nearly as many as is claimed. Just take the second round, the one Ward and myself gave Loma. Lopez threw several body blows, half of which landed were grazing shots. I think he landed four. Loma on the other hand landed five punches, without a doubt, and those were two jabs, two straights and a right hook. It made Lopez's ex-wife scream and the cut man immediately applying the endswell to Lopez's left eye. Loma clearly won that round for the more effective punches.

Yet there are these non-boxing fans who deny this, and I don't get it. The truth is that Lopez was not doing much of anything for those first six rounds other than marching forward, trying to hit Loma and Loma throwing the occasional counter.

I recommend watching it again and really looking at the punches, at what gets through and what is blocked. This was the same with the Ortiz fight, where Loma blocked a lot of his punches (or slipped them). I mean, look at Loma's face. He had one abrasion on his face that didn't even come from a punch but from the tape on Ortiz's forearm. After than, his faced looked as if it hadn't been touched. Yet some how Ortiz landed near a hundred punches to Loma's face. LMAO!!! **** is so ridiculous.

We could do a test where I punch a guy a 100 times in the face with 8 oz gloves, and then we see what it looks like and compare it to Loma's face. Compubox is a joke (which is nothing new).

But JJB is clearly delusional. Heck, we got guys in here that think that Salido won 12 rounds. Loma started slow, as is common for him. Every actual expert analysis of that fight thought that if it had been a 14 rounder like they used to be, Loma would have won. Look at their faces at the end of the fight and tell me who you'd rather be.

His pathological dislike of a boxer is pretty weird. Something about Loma makes him piss his pants. I am curious as to why.

No, Lopez didn't do crap to affect Loma. Loma was throwing virtually nothing from the first round before Lopez ever touched him. When people are fighting conservative because they're afraid of the power, they don't open up later in the fight. Watch Butler v Inoue if you want to see what that looks like. And that always starts after they take a clean shot, which Lopez didn't land in the early rounds. Loma wasn't rocked even once in those rounds.

I do think that Lopez's power made Loma more cautious than usual. And Lopez was doing things that made it more difficult for Loma, but in the end, Loma found a way. I finally understand what he was trying to do and what adjustment he made. If you look in the beginning, he countered Lopez finally with a three-piece, and in that three-piece was a right hook, almost an overhand. That's Lopez's weakness. But that's why his shoulder felt messed up. After that, there were no more right hooks or overhands. It was just straight jabs over the top. That's where you see how he was affected. Low punch output and no uppercuts or hooks with the right. That rotation was too painful, so he just used a jab conservatively.

And what kind of delusional idiot doesn't see that the guy had surgery the very next day? There's literally no evidence whatsoever for the "Lopez did something that made Loma afraid to engage." Nobody has ever been able to point to even a single punch that might support that asinine theory. And Lopez hasn't evolved his game at all in at least 5 fights. The only thing that can be said for Lopez is that he fought back like a champion in 12. But then he got dropped and schooled by his mandatory, who was a MASSIVE underdog, even if he was apparently sick in that fight.

Yeah. I don't get it. Loma knows that he has that loss and that he chose to fight Lopez with the shoulder problem. He took that risk and accept that he has a loss on his record. But he also knows that he won that fight, that Lopez didn't beat him. I think if you were to show someone who doesn't know boxing that fight, they'd say Loma won because one guy looked beat up and the other one didn't. Lopez did fight back like a champion in the 12th round, and I think that's a swing round, although on review, Loma did land more power shots than Lopez. He landed more punches in general. It's just that Lopez's shots are flashier. It's kind of like Golovkin and Canelo. Canelo's punches seem to be worth five of Golovkin's for some reason.

JJB is just a hater, who turns to ad hominem attacks when confronted with logic, and parrots other people's thoughts. Notice how there's never been a single shred of supporting evidence of any kind in any of his/her/their posts.

Yeah. He has issues.

[lopetego]

It's true. Loma is undefeated

in his only two ¨loses¨, he was only outworked, he was never bested by his opponents

judges gave the wins to Salido and Teofimo because they were the ¨busier¨ fighters for the majority of the match, even if the chumps were landing punches on air or Loma's gloves most of the time

in both cases, when Loma actually decided to fight, he was dominating his opponents, and finished both fights stronger than them

With Salido, it took him a lot of time to adjust to the dirty brawler style, once he did it, Salido was getting trounced. Too bad it was too late in the fight to win on points

with Teo, he was hesitant and gun shy most of the fight due to an injury, once he decided to fight anyway, he was wrecking Teo. But again, it was too late

Loma proved he was still a better fighter than the two men who ¨beat him¨

that's why both of them ran away like bitches from the rematch

they knew they were lucky and it wouldn't happen again

Loma is truly undefeated, a generational talent, and he'll prove it once again against Haney the Hugger.

That fight should be titled ¨The Return of the King¨