Comments Thread For: Devin Haney: After I Beat Lomachenko I'll Get My Respect As P4P Best

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I never said Haney beating Loma(which is inevitable) would put him at #1. I personally don't give a **** about these pfp lists. I it's all opinionated anyway. And because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are discrediting anyone. You can't find any posts of me ****ting on Usyk. But I get it. When someone doesn't 100% agree with you about your favorite fighters, they instantly hate that fighter. This is the rhetoric boxing forums and the youtube boxing community is built on. I've personally never said anything bad about him. I just said doesn't make sense to have hws on the pfp list. I wouldn't care if that was Wilder, Fury, AJ, or whoever.

You’re questioning his P4P status which is laughable.

Usyk essentially defines what P4P is, he’s a naturally smaller man defeating naturally bigger men, he’s using skill to defeat size.

There’s never been a unwritten rule that HW can’t be under consideration for P4P like you suggested. Tyson was #1 in 89, Holyfield was regularly top 10 throughout the 90’s, Lewis was top 10 in the 2000’s, Wladimir was regularly top 10 in the 2010’s and was as high as #2 behind Floyd at one point. Nothing has “changed” like you suggested. You were completely out of touch with that statement.

[Oregonian]

He’s beaten a top 5 ranked guy in Porter and 3 top 10 ranked fighters in Avanesyan, Kavaliauskas and Horn. That’s not trash, it’s disappointing based on who we’d like him to fight but he still has some decent wins and a very impressive stoppage win over Porter. On top of what he’s achieved in the lower weight classes, he’s more than worthy of P4P top 10 status.

He’s not fighting Broner. I’ll give you 100/1 odds he doesn’t fight Broner in 2023.

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When we throw in Broner, we are being sarcastic and mocking him because that’s what he does. You ok with him fighting Rocha? Instead of Boots?
Once again, if Crawford had fought Boots instead of Avanesyan, no one would be criticizing him.

Who is a better opponent between Boots and Avanesyan and Rocha? If you can answer honestly then you have your answer about Crawford.

Crawford has to fight Boots or Spence this year. It’s that simple,

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

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When we throw in Broner, we are being sarcastic and mocking him because that’s what he does. You ok with him fighting Rocha? Instead of Boots?
Once again, if Crawford had fought Boots instead of Avanesyan, no one would be criticizing him.

Who is a better opponent between Boots and Avanesyan and Rocha? If you can answer honestly then you have your answer about Crawford.

Crawford has to fight Boots or Spence this year. It’s that simple,

There’s no chance of him fighting Broner. You were talking nonsense in that regard. As I said I’ll give you 100/1 odds that he fights Broner in 2023.

Rocha is his mandatory, it’s not a fight I’m interested in personally but it is what it is. If Crawford vacates the belt, he has even less pull than he does now.

Boots ain’t ready for Spence or Crawford. He’d be a much better opponent than Thurman and certainly Rocha but he still needs some seasoning, let’s let the kid develop properly before we throw him to the wolves.

We all wanna see the Spence fight obviously, but they’re both too greedy to make it happen. Fanboys like to play the blame game and take sides but I ain’t about that. They’re both accountable for that fight not happening just like Mayweather and Pacquiao were for years, just like Fury and AJ are etc. It’s sadly a common theme in modern boxing.

[Oregonian]

There’s no chance of him fighting Broner. You were talking nonsense in that regard. As I said I’ll give you 100/1 odds that he fights Broner in 2023.

Rocha is his mandatory, it’s not a fight I’m interested in personally but it is what it is. If Crawford vacates the belt, he has even less pull than he does now.

Boots ain’t ready for Spence or Crawford. He’d be a much better opponent than Thurman and certainly Rocha but he still needs some seasoning, let’s let the kid develop properly before we throw him to the wolves.

We all wanna see the Spence fight obviously, but they’re both too greedy to make it happen. Fanboys like to play the blame game and take sides but I ain’t about that. They’re both accountable for that fight not happening just like Mayweather and Pacquiao were for years, just like Fury and AJ are etc. It’s sadly a common theme in modern boxing.

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I was being sarcastic and mocking Crawford because that’s what we expect Crawford to do. How old was Crawford when he unified 140? Or when he won titles at 135? Haney is 24 and is the unified champ at 135.
Sugar Ray Leonard was the top WW champion at 147 and he was 25. So your logic of “let the kid develop” is a non factor. Boots is the highest ranked WW contender. That alone means he’s ready for Spence and Crawford.
Also, if Boots is the highest ranking contender, why the hell is Crawford fighting Avanesyan or Rocha or Kavaliauskas or Khan or Brook or Broner?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

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I was being sarcastic and mocking Crawford because that’s what we expect Crawford to do. How old was Crawford when he unified 140? Or when he won titles at 135? Haney is 24 and is the unified champ at 135.
Sugar Ray Leonard was the top WW champion at 147 and he was 25. So your logic of “let the kid develop” is a non factor. Boots is the highest ranked WW contender. That alone means he’s ready for Spence and Crawford.
Also, if Boots is the highest ranking contender, why the hell is Crawford fighting Avanesyan or Rocha or Kavaliauskas or Khan or Brook or Broner?

Nobody expects him to fight Broner.

Boots is nowhere near Ray Leonard in terms of talent, experience, resume etc. Ridiculous comparison.

The Karen fight proved he still needs time to develop.

He’s not the highest ranked contender. Boots is IBF interim Champion, he’s not rated by the WBO. Rocha is their #1 contender.

[Oregonian]

Nobody expects him to fight Broner.

Boots is nowhere near Ray Leonard in terms of talent, experience, resume etc. Ridiculous comparison.

The Karen fight proved he still needs time to develop.

He’s not the highest ranked contender. Boots is IBF interim Champion, he’s not rated by the WBO. Rocha is their #1 contender.

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Nobody expected Crawford to fight Khan or Brook but he did. Nobody expected him to fight Avanesyan but he did. So nobody except you will be shocked if he fought Broner.

Boots practically won every round against Karen and that “proves he still needs time to develop”? Seriously? What were you expecting?

So Rocha is a better opponent for Bud than Boots?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

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Nobody expected Crawford to fight Khan or Brook but he did. Nobody expected him to fight Avanesyan but he did. So nobody except you will be shocked if he fought Broner.

Boots practically won every round against Karen and that “proves he still needs time to develop”? Seriously? What were you expecting?

So Rocha is a better opponent for Bud than Boots?

Bro, I keep telling you, I’ll give you 100/1 odds he’ll fight Broner in 2023, if you think it’s possible then take the bet. If not just stop with this nonsense.

He showed several flaws, struggled cutting the ring off amongst other things. Ennis is super talented but still very raw. If you fed him to Crawford or Spence now I think we could have another Tito-Vargas situation.

Where did I say that? Obviously not.

[Mack]

His best win isn't Kambosos, its a washed up Linares that got KTFO in his previous match... Haney went 12 with him and was sent tippy toeing into his corner after he got rocked lol

[crimsonfalcon07]

Gotta love the people who are calling Loma faded based on one performance. Those same people give Lopez all kinds of credit for beating him, but don't seem to notice that he threw virtually no punches for 7 rounds, because he was injured. They think he is washed up because he looked slow against Ortiz, who is actually quite skilled, and that's leaving aside the existence of a little thing called ring rust, which is especially pointed when you've been fighting a literal war. I'll be very curious to see how the other top guys at 135 do against Jamaine themselves. I bet most of them duck Ortiz.

Loma's other two fights in between those were absolutely dominant performances.

Loma has all kinds of tricks for the huggers and clinchers, and he can close the distance very fast. IF Loma shows up in form, whichever one of them wins will deserve a lot of credit.

[Oregonian]

Bro, I keep telling you, I’ll give you 100/1 odds he’ll fight Broner in 2023, if you think it’s possible then take the bet. If not just stop with this nonsense.

He showed several flaws, struggled cutting the ring off amongst other things. Ennis is super talented but still very raw. If you fed him to Crawford or Spence now I think we could have another Tito-Vargas situation.

Where did I say that? Obviously not.

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You keep missing my sarcasm and diss of Crawford. I would not be surprised if Crawford fought Broner or Ugas or any other guy not named Boots or Spence. Why? Because that’s what Crawford does all the time. Even fighting Porter came after Porter go beat by Spence.

Boots beat Karen 120-108. It was a shut out. That’s like saying Floyd struggling with Maidana means he’s not that great. Styles make fights, you know that.
Boots is literally the best prospect at 147. Crawford and Spence have no one else to fight except him. Boots is getting criticism for not fighting “elite” guys so where does he go? You say he’s not ready for the two guys and when he fights a Karen, he gets criticism for fighting subpar opponents.

If Rocha is below Boots in talent, then he shouldn’t get a shot at Crawford. Just like what you’re saying about Boots.