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  • Tony Trick-Pony
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    #31
    He's so right about being more active. He may be right about Usyk, too. For Usyk to win, he will have to be the aggressor. I think he can be and he'll have to fight his heart out. I expect nothing but the absolute strongest effort of Usyk's career. It's really going to be something...if it happens.

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    • PRINCEKOOL
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      #32
      Originally posted by takenotes

      Thier styles will result in a very boring fight. If you thought AJ Usyk was boring this will be worse. My prediction will be more of a Klitschko Fury style fight...where Fury and Usyk will have very little connects and a lot of holding
      When I first watched the Joshua vs Usyk fights? I did not appreciate or enjoy them.

      But when I watched both of them again for the second time 'I understood that skill for skill they were extremely high level fights'.

      Joshua vs Usyk I & II were higher level fights skill for skill than Wilder vs Fury III.

      I personally think Fury vs Usyk will tactically play out very similar to Joshua vs Usyk II.

      Fury may apply his inside game and rough house tactics marginally better than Joshua.

      But the challenge for Fury will be whether he can maintain a high enough intensity for the entire fight 'As I have always stated that Fury's endurance is overrated'.

      I have made past posts actually showing the statistics which show that Joshua in most of his top-level fights 'Out Works Tyson Fury. Joshua is ether matching Fury or bettering him in this department'. But for some reason Tyson Fury has been bestowed with this stereotype of having monster endurance.

      Fury for me does not have elite level endurance. His endurance is satisfactory within this era of Heavyweights 'But he does get fatigued, and then makes unforced errors'.

      Fury was fatigued from round 2 on wards vs Wilder III 'Skill for skill both fighters were making unforced errors'. It was a great fight in terms of passion and competition, but it was not really a high level fight skill for skill 'Not on the level of Joshua vs Usyk II'.

      If Tyson Fury loses the fight vs Usyk, it will be in the second half of the fight 'Just like Joshua'.

      Joshua if you analyse the second fight with Usyk, skill for skill he fought a extremely disciplined fight 'He hardly made any unforced errors'. When he was losing rounds he was just being edged, and then in the latter stages of the fight? When his intensity dropped just by a percentage, that was enough for Usyk to overtake with his superior endurance.

      Usyk has elite level endurance, there are only two fighters active today at Heavyweights who have shown this level of endurance statistically 'Usyk & Joyce'.

      I make Tyson Fury the favorite, but tactically I don't think the fight is as simple as Fury just marching forward. Fury marches forward very rarely, he has only really at top level fought Wilder in this manner.

      Tyson Fury's last two performances have not been impressive for me. He was doing nothing much vs Whyte until the knock-out, and even though Chisora was miles out of condition he did not fight Chisora head on etc.






      Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 03-05-2023, 02:56 PM.

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      • job43
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        #33
        Hey Usyk, change the fighting style that made you great in the biggest fight of your life. Sounds good

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          #34
          Mike is a boxing historian and has always studied the legends from yesteryear , Jim Jacobs who was part of the Tyson early setup gave him access to the biggest private boxing video collection in the world during that time .....Mikes opinion should be given more credit .Some of these' fanboy' posts are 'entertaining' but embarrassing and taken out of context of what Mike is actually saying ....par for the course on here really, the usual suspects!
          Last edited by thack; 03-05-2023, 02:23 PM.

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          • Smash
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            #35
            the ukranians are used to or maybe sick of fighting a bigger opponent, maybe he can do better than a bloody stalemate tho

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            • Lxg
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              #36
              Science dictates that upper extremity digits do not have knowledge. Mike Tyson is not a boxing trainer. Mike had one style and couldn’t adapt to boxer-punchers; Lewis, Holyfield or Douglas. Tyson giving advice to Usyk, who is a superb boxer-puncher with incredible defensive skills and ring awareness doesn’t need Mike’s advice. Styles make fights. Furthermore, Usyk has beaten AJ twice, beaten Joe Joyce, beaten Chisora, beaten Tony Bellew. I will listen to Holyfield, Bellew, Hasim Rahman, and Wilder’s trainer before Mike Tyson. All predict Fury will lose. But the fight won’t happen. Fury, the man caught cheating by using performance enhancing drugs, won’t dare fight Usyk at any price. My pinky finger tells me.

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              • Kzbox
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                #37
                Originally posted by Lxg
                Science dictates that upper extremity digits do not have knowledge. Mike Tyson is not a boxing trainer. Mike had one style and couldn’t adapt to boxer-punchers; Lewis, Holyfield or Douglas. Tyson giving advice to Usyk, who is a superb boxer-puncher with incredible defensive skills and ring awareness doesn’t need Mike’s advice. Styles make fights. Furthermore, Usyk has beaten AJ twice, beaten Joe Joyce, beaten Chisora, beaten Tony Bellew. I will listen to Holyfield, Bellew, Hasim Rahman, and Wilder’s trainer before Mike Tyson. All predict Fury will lose. But the fight won’t happen. Fury, the man caught cheating by using performance enhancing drugs, won’t dare fight Usyk at any price. My pinky finger tells me.
                You are highly overestimating Usyk's run he beat Joe Joyce in the amateur's which is a totally different thing, Chisora he had a somewhat rough time with despite it being with a 9 loss worn Chisora, Tony Bellew? come on man lol he has basically only beat AJ of note at heavyweight who had several question marks surrounding him since Ruiz 1.

                Don't get me wrong Usyk is very talented and has a great cruiserweight resume but he still hasn't convinced me as a heavyweight.

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                  #38
                  - Fury at his 50% beat Chisora much better than Usyk.
                  - Fury showed AJ how to beat Usyk by punching body before the rematch, AJ almost knocked him down.

                  Usyk is 8-9 rounds job for Fury at most. He'll lose badly.

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                  • 1Eriugenus
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                    #39
                    I think Mike Tyson was the last guy to have that 'old school' schedule. On his way up Mike fought every 5 or 6 weeks. No-one else did that at the time & absolutely no-one would do it now. A young prospect starting out might, conceivably, fight 6 times in a year but more usually it is 4 or 5 times. Once he is remotely established, if a boxer fights 3 times a year he is considered very active. I don't know exactly why that is & there have to be worries around the rumours of recycling & that. Equally, more straightforwardly, in the UK at least there are fewer shows so fewer opportunities for guys to do rounds. I don't think that helps British boxing but what can you do?

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                    • nghtmr111
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by BodyBagz

                      Unless Fury presents his head to Usyk, attacking the body, such as it is, would be a wise move.

                      I expect Fury to be very dirty if they fight.

                      Usyk should know not to bend at the waist.
                      This will make it hard for Fury to lean down on him.
                      Fury loves to lean down on his opponents backs....among other dirty tactics.
                      You're 100% NOT wrong.

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