Comments Thread For: Conor Benn Set For Piers Morgan TV Interview

[ShoulderRoll]

#1 That isn't evidence that he'd eaten meat that was contaminated with Clenbutrol.

#2 We don't even know whether he ate meat while he was there or not.

I think you might want to refer to an online dictionary. You literally have no idea what the concept of evidence is.

Sonora Grill is a steakhouse. Canelo was there twice prior to the positive tests, the second time he was seen having steak with Bill Clinton and Carlos Slim.

So we have lots of supporting evidence in Canelo’s situation and it is all consistent with his story of having eating tainted meat. Even if there isn’t any proof of the actual clenbuterol content of the meat he ate there.

Conor Benn’s explanation, on the other hand, is far more sketchy.
—We are being asked to accept that he ate 34 eggs per week despite him previously not mentioning eggs much when he described his diet at the time. Other than occasionally having egg-fried rice.
—We have to speculate that he imported those eggs, since clomiphene isn’t allowed in egg production on British soil. With thus far no evidence naming where he imported the eggs from.
—Benn himself says he is NOT blaming the eggs for his positive tests. He is blaming VADA’s testing procedures…but the evidence he provided for that was rejected by the WBC.

So yes, one excuse is more plausible than the other here. You’re just being silly to insist otherwise.

[Inspired]

Sonora Grill is a steakhouse. Canelo was there twice prior to the positive tests, the second time he was seen having steak with Bill Clinton and Carlos Slim.

So we have lots of supporting evidence in Canelo’s situation and it is all consistent with his story of having eating tainted meat. Even if there isn’t any proof of the actual clenbuterol content of the meat he ate there.

Conor Benn’s explanation, on the other hand, is far more sketchy.
—We are being asked to accept that he ate 34 eggs per week despite him previously not mentioning eggs much when he described his diet at the time. Other than occasionally having egg-fried rice.
—We have to speculate that he imported those eggs, since clomiphene isn’t allowed in egg production on British soil. With thus far no evidence naming where he imported the eggs from.
—Benn himself says he is NOT blaming the eggs for his positive tests. He is blaming VADA’s testing procedures…but the evidence he provided for that was rejected by the WBC.

So yes, one excuse is more plausible than the other here. You’re just being silly to insist otherwise.

I didn't really read the entirity of Benn's twitter statement. I read the bit where he said that 'i never made the egg excuse, WBC came up with that one' (not in those words).
Has Benn actually stated that he consumed mexican eggs?

[Clegg]

Crazy that in 2023 there are still people defending blatant cheats like Benn and Canelo and pretending to believe their lies.

Canelo was the A side for a long time. Liam Smith wanted drug testing but Canelo refused. He was huge at 154 and refusing to be tested is a massive red flag. Liam Smith had a win recently and Canelo fans were bragging about it as if their roided up triangle victory is a big deal. Canelo even dragged his feet on drug testing for the Chavez Jr fight, and that was a sad cherry pick.

For the Golovkin rematch, GBP were eager to do a deal because the robbery in the first fight was getting a lot of criticism. So they ended up giving into Golovkin's demands for testing that would start from the moment negotiations were done. First ever time anybody got to test Canelo that early in camp. By an incredibly crazy coincidence, this was the one time Canelo was caught. What are the odds that the one time he got tested early, he was caught.

In 2011 a Mexican soccer team tested positive for Clen. It was fair to say at the time that the team had eaten contaminated food unintentionally, and it was made clear to all Mexican athletes that they needed to be careful from now on. Mexico's biggest star athlete Canelo certainly knew this, as did his team, and so it makes sense for Canelo to use clen because they have an in-built excuse if he tests positive.

He did what all liars do, wait and see what the claims are and what the evidence is before you come up with your story. Being rich enough to get help from professional liars was another A side bonus for Canelo and Benn. Both of them did not exactly explain themselves for a few weeks, they issued denials but avoided interviews until they had a straight story and then they started speaking to favourable journalists as part of a PR campaign.

For example it came out that hair follicle tests are unreliable, and especially people with light hair will test negative no matter what. The hair test was even more pointless because he had already tested positive. So if he tests positive again, he would just say 'that's the same contaminated meat from the last test, proves nothing'. So of course Canelo quickly took the test and made the results public So this guy wouldn't take tests for Smith or Chavez that could prove him clean, in fact his whole career he avoids being tested early in training camp, but he will take hair tests that he knows doesn't work on redheads and cannot prove anything either way. And people actually fall for this stuff?

[ShoulderRoll]

I didn't really read the entirity of Benn's twitter statement. I read the bit where he said that 'i never made the egg excuse, WBC came up with that one' (not in those words).
Has Benn actually stated that he consumed mexican eggs?

No, Conor Benn hasn’t said that.

They couldn’t have been British eggs, though, because clomiphene is not allowed in egg production in Britain.

That we do know.

[IronDanHamza]

Sonora Grill is a steakhouse. Canelo was there twice prior to the positive tests, the second time he was seen having steak with Bill Clinton and Carlos Slim.

So we have lots of supporting evidence in Canelo’s situation and it is all consistent with his story of having eating tainted meat. Even if there isn’t any proof of the actual clenbuterol content of the meat he ate there.

Conor Benn’s explanation, on the other hand, is far more sketchy.
—We are being asked to accept that he ate 34 eggs per week despite him previously not mentioning eggs much when he described his diet at the time. Other than occasionally having egg-fried rice.
—We have to speculate that he imported those eggs, since clomiphene isn’t allowed in egg production on British soil. With thus far no evidence naming where he imported the eggs from.
—Benn himself says he is NOT blaming the eggs for his positive tests. He is blaming VADA’s testing procedures…but the evidence he provided for that was rejected by the WBC.

So yes, one excuse is more plausible than the other here. You’re just being silly to insist otherwise.

OK, and what did he order? Do you actually know or are you just guessing? Can you only order steaks at a steakhouse? How do you know he didn't order a salad? Oh yeah, you don't.

You keep saying "We have lots of supporting evidence" for the Canelo case but what you're continuously failing to grasp is there is actually LITERALLY exactly ZERO evidence for Canelo's situation. You genuinely have absolutely no idea how evidence or the burden of proof works.

I'm not being silly, you are just incredibly slow and despite having it explained to you numerous times still don't understand how this works.

So I'll try again;

Canelo claiming he ate contaminated meat is nothing but a claim, that is not evidence.

Canelo eating in a steakhouse, EVEN if we can substantially prove he ate meat there, is NOT evidence that he ate contaminated meat. But we have no actual evidence that he even ate any meat when he was there at all.

Canelo having trace Clen in his system that COULD be consistent with contaminated meat, is NOT evidence that he ate contaminated meat.

There is, in actual fact, no evidence at all to support any of Canelo's claims. So for you to keep claiming that there is is nothing but # 1 objectively false and # 2 intellectually dishonest, but I'm sure you don't know what that means either in all honesty.

You don't need to keep telling me how weak Benn's case is from the WBC, I'm well aware.

What you're clearly struggling to grasp is Canelo's is literally equally as weak.

You seem to think it's not because Canelo supposedly ate meat in Mexico.

Again, you don't know that he ate meat in Mexico and even if he ate 100lbs of meat of Mexico there is still zero evidence that any of it was contaminated.

You could make the assumption that it might have been but that's all it would be; An assumption. Which an assumption, of course, is not evidence.

[_Rexy_]

I hate Piers Morgan, although he does seem to be better over the last year than when he was over in America.

I hope he doesn't let Benn off with bull****

[IronDanHamza]

Crazy that in 2023 there are still people defending blatant cheats like Benn and Canelo and pretending to believe their lies.

Canelo was the A side for a long time. Liam Smith wanted drug testing but Canelo refused. He was huge at 154 and refusing to be tested is a massive red flag. Liam Smith had a win recently and Canelo fans were bragging about it as if their roided up triangle victory is a big deal. Canelo even dragged his feet on drug testing for the Chavez Jr fight, and that was a sad cherry pick.

For the Golovkin rematch, GBP were eager to do a deal because the robbery in the first fight was getting a lot of criticism. So they ended up giving into Golovkin's demands for testing that would start from the moment negotiations were done. First ever time anybody got to test Canelo that early in camp. By an incredibly crazy coincidence, this was the one time Canelo was caught. What are the odds that the one time he got tested early, he was caught.

In 2011 a Mexican soccer team tested positive for Clen. It was fair to say at the time that the team had eaten contaminated food unintentionally, and it was made clear to all Mexican athletes that they needed to be careful from now on. Mexico's biggest star athlete Canelo certainly knew this, as did his team, and so it makes sense for Canelo to use clen because they have an in-built excuse if he tests positive.

He did what all liars do, wait and see what the claims are and what the evidence is before you come up with your story. Being rich enough to get help from professional liars was another A side bonus for Canelo and Benn. Both of them did not exactly explain themselves for a few weeks, they issued denials but avoided interviews until they had a straight story and then they started speaking to favourable journalists as part of a PR campaign.

For example it came out that hair follicle tests are unreliable, and especially people with light hair will test negative no matter what. The hair test was even more pointless because he had already tested positive. So if he tests positive again, he would just say 'that's the same contaminated meat from the last test, proves nothing'. So of course Canelo quickly took the test and made the results public So this guy wouldn't take tests for Smith or Chavez that could prove him clean, in fact his whole career he avoids being tested early in training camp, but he will take hair tests that he knows doesn't work on redheads and cannot prove anything either way. And people actually fall for this stuff?

That's the issue.

Both parties have literally zero evidence for their accepted excuses by the WBC but yet one it deemed plausible and the other isn't.

When the reality is neither are even 1% plausible because neither have any way of being demonstrably proven.

[gooderz84]

faux thoughts of suicide and mental health struggles incoming