Comments Thread For: John Fury Says Usyk 'Not Worthy of 50-50' Split, Tells Him To 'Fall In Line And You Might Get The Fight'

[BoxngLove]

People are refusing to admit that Tyson fury is actually on the retirement tour right now. There will be no more meaningful fights. Only cash grabs

[PRINCEKOOL]

"Right now Tyson Fury thinks he is beyond the belts, he thinks in his mind 'That he has transcended the titles'.
Very few fighters reach this level, the last fighters to do this were Mike Tyson & Muhammad Ali".

What silliness is this?
There is only ONE Heavyweight Champion of the world and it has Always been thus. Fury easily beat the champion before him, Wladimir Klitschko, when Klitschko had a bunch of belts and unquestioned supremacy over the division. Before Klitschko there was Lennox Lewis- Hasim Rahman- Lennox Lewis- Shannon Briggs- George Foreman- Michael Moorer- Evander Holyfield- Rid**** Bowe- Evander Holyfield- Buster Douglas- Mike Tyson- Michael Spinks- Larry Holmes- Muhammad Ali.......all the way back to Onomastos of Smyrna in 688 BC.

Nobody has beaten Fury since, and the number 2 heavyweight of this era has had 3 tries at it.

The 3rd best of this era, be it Joshua or Ruiz or Usyk or Whyte, are are all a big drop down from Fury and Wilder. The proof is in the Ring.

Those meaningless belts that unscrupulous "Sanctioning bodies" literally sell to promoters to give their shows "meaning" Do Not supercede what happens in the ring, ever. Especially at heavyweight where title lineage is crystal clear.
That's Boxing History 101.

Nope, there is not only one Heavyweight Champion of the world 'Currently right now'.

I am not sure what you want me to say to that one, does anyone else know what Willow The Wisp thinks he is proving here? Lets all just be honest, and put aside subjectivity of liking or disliking certain fighters.

Tyson Fury has one belt mate, the WBC title 'Usyk has 4 belts, the WBA, WBO, IBF & IBO World Heavyweight titles'.

Both these fighters have to fight in order to become the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion.

To become the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion in the modern era of boxing 'You have to win all the belts'.

Deontay Wilder is not the number 2 Heavyweight of this era 'Anthony Joshua has better wins, and a better resume than Wilder'. Joshua has a better case at claiming that on form and Merritt at one point 'He was the ranked number 2 premier Heavyweight Champion of the World'.

Yes you are correct Tyson Fury is unbeaten inside the professional boxing ring 'But we have seen him get decked numerous times, we have seen him get ****** about and busted up real good'.

Fury in terms of achievements cannot really currently right now compete with Usyk 'Usyk is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport'.

In the amateur ranks Tyson Fury did not rise to the top of the sport 'Fury was beaten by David Price'.

Usyk in comparison conquered the amateur ranks and achieved the pinnacle 'Which was to win the Olympic Title'.

And as a professional Usyk is also unbeaten, and has no draws on his record 'And has never been decked'.

Usyk has also already been a Undisputed Champion at Cruiser-weight 'Usyk has achieve feats that Fury has never achieve'. Usyk has unequivocally without a doubt, objectively been the best Cruiser weight in the world 'In that moment he captured all the Cruiser weight titles, that is what he achieved'.

The fact of the matter is, what you need to understand as well as all the other hardcore Fury fans on this thread is.

Your boy cannot claim to be the one true Heavyweight Champion unequivocally 'Without fighting and beating Usyk'.

Everyone knows this deep down. The rules of the game, the honor it has not altered throughout history.

There is no easy way out of this. The public perception of Tyson Fury's reign, has never been so negative. But you still have these men.

You have these crazed hardcore Fury fans, who betray themselves on a daily basis 'On very this thread'.

There is nothing much more I need to say on this subject. Tyson Fury has the Glory and Greatness right there in-front of him 'The fight is there to be made, Usyk wants this fight and has agreed his terms a long time ago'.

[volt]

the attention seekers, liars. chisora 4 would be worthy fight next?

[sege64]

It Fury had any sense and confidence in his ability to win this fight he would be scrambling to get it done.

The opportunity to fight a jumped up cruiser and become the first undisputed HW Champion in over 20 years and go down in history and also give the all the mythologising crap about how because of his size he could probably handle anyone in history some decent weight for the gullible masses, and he doesn't fancy it.

Sure, Uysk will probably runs rings around him and make him look very bad, but if he was a real "fighting man" he'd be ****ing Usyk's door down to get this fight signed. This is the biggest prize of his career, would cement his legacy and he could retire with his millions and go back to shouting his mouth off into microphones about how he's retired and none of these bums could touch him with a fist full of sand.

I can see him switching it up and going looking for damaged goods AJ instead where he knows his mind games will probably win him the fight before he even steps in the ring, because that fight (ideally in Saudi of course lol) would probably generate more interest and therefore $$$ among his fanboys and the casuals than an actual fight for the undisputed HW title of the world. Pathetic.

[_Rexy_]

Usyk could give Fury 70/30 and Fury would find another road block

[Willow The Wisp]

Nope, there is not only one Heavyweight Champion of the world 'Currently right now'.

I am not sure what you want me to say to that one, does anyone else know what Willow The Wisp thinks he is proving here? Lets all just be honest, and put aside subjectivity of liking or disliking certain fighters.

Tyson Fury has one belt mate, the WBC title 'Usyk has 4 belts, the WBA, WBO, IBF & IBO World Heavyweight titles'.

Both these fighters have to fight in order to become the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion.

To become the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion in the modern era of boxing 'You have to win all the belts'.

Deontay Wilder is not the number 2 Heavyweight of this era 'Anthony Joshua has better wins, and a better resume than Wilder'. Joshua has a better case at claiming that on form and Merritt at one point 'He was the ranked number 2 premier Heavyweight Champion of the World'.

Yes you are correct Tyson Fury is unbeaten inside the professional boxing ring 'But we have seen him get decked numerous times, we have seen him get ****** about and busted up real good'.

Fury in terms of achievements cannot really currently right now compete with Usyk 'Usyk is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport'.

In the amateur ranks Tyson Fury did not rise to the top of the sport 'Fury was beaten by David Price'.

Usyk in comparison conquered the amateur ranks and achieved the pinnacle 'Which was to win the Olympic Title'.

And as a professional Usyk is also unbeaten, and has no draws on his record 'And has never been decked'.

Usyk has also already been a Undisputed Champion at Cruiser-weight 'Usyk has achieve feats that Fury has never achieve'. Usyk has unequivocally without a doubt, objectively been the best Cruiser weight in the world 'In that moment he captured all the Cruiser weight titles, that is what he achieved'.

The fact of the matter is, what you need to understand as well as all the other hardcore Fury fans on this thread is.

Your boy cannot claim to be the one true Heavyweight Champion unequivocally 'Without fighting and beating Usyk'.

Everyone knows this deep down. The rules of the game, the honor it has not altered throughout history.

There is no easy way out of this. The public perception of Tyson Fury's reign, has never been so negative. But you still have these men.

You have these crazed hardcore Fury fans, who betray themselves on a daily basis 'On very this thread'.

There is nothing much more I need to say on this subject. Tyson Fury has the Glory and Greatness right there in-front of him 'The fight is there to be made, Usyk wants this fight and has agreed his terms a long time ago'.

Use this as a teaching moment.
We certainly agree that the Fury - Usyk fight should be made.
We also agree that its nice to collect up all the belts to bolster one's claim of being champion. This is especially true when a champion has retired or died while holding the title, and other fighters are left to determine who the next champion is going to be. But today, at Heavyweight, that just isn't the case, its it?

Where we differ is the difference between being Heavyweight Champion and being a Heavyweight title beltholder.
This isn't me saying this, it's the history of the title. It's carved in stone. Its history. In the modern era that means Sullivan, Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, Hart, Burns, Johnson, Willard, Dempsey, Tunney, Schmeling, Sharkey, Carnera, Baer, Braddock, Louis, Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Patterson, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Ali, Leon Spinks, Ali, Holmes, Michael Spinks, Tyson, Douglas, Holyfield, Bowe, Holyfield, Moorer, Foreman, Briggs, Lewis, Rahman, Lewis, Wladimir Klitschko, Tyson Fury, and Fury has never lost the one title.
Belt counting does not have any meaning.
None.

Let's examine that last statement.

Usyk, like Joshua and Ruiz and Joshua, have held a collection of "Title" belts that were stripped for the purpose of profit from a guy who never lost them in the ring (Fury), who had won them by decisively beating the prior champion (Klitschko). These include the IBF belt, which traces back its recent lineage only to Charles Martin, who won it in an elimination fight when sub top 10 Vyacheslav Glazkov injured his right knee, quit and never fought again. This gave Fringe contender Martin the belt, which Joshua scooped up easily for his 1st "world title". Martin himself went on to be knocked out by 2 time Wilder KO victim Luis Ortiz. Not very historically prestigious, you'll agree.

Joshua's next 3 belts came to him when he beat a retired, middle aged Wladimir Klitschko who was embarking on a comeback for one last taste. This was contested for the WBA, IBF & IBO belts. Problem was, Klitschko didn't hold those belts, because in his last fight, two calendar years prior, he lost all of his belts to ...you guessed it; Tyson Fury; in a near shut out performance.

That's three of those four belts, each one out of thin air.

Finally, the vast collection of meaningless belts which are in essence sold to promoters for profit, was picked up by Joshua when he won a tepid 12 round decision over the once promising Joseph Parker, who had won that WBO strap in a close nod over Andy Ruiz Jr in 2016. In his next fight Parker was beaten decisivly by Dillian Whyte, who champion Fury smashed to bits last year in defense of the real title.

So there you have it. The not-so rich recent history of all those belts that keep getting passed around by contenders who are good contenders, but are not real heavyweight world champions. Just title beltholders.
With so many belts up for sale, many contenders get to hold one for awhile these days. One of boxing's worst embarrassments.

Fortunately, at Heavyweight, we have title lineage to guide us. Lineage as shown in the Encyclopedia Britannica.
We don't have to suffer those unscrupulous for-profit "Banditos", as the Ring Magazine used to call them, strip belts, bestow belts and publish their absurd ratings to confuse casual fans such as perhaps yourself in order to fill their pockets.

Nothing complicated about that.

Sure Usyk is a superb athlete. But the heavyweight champion of the World?????
You can't get that from beating the man who beat Charles Martin my friend.

[TinAgeOfBoxing]

Usyk has to agree to lay down for occult hom osexual king Fury in a fixed fight same as Wilder, Whyte, Chisora.

[LAchargers373]

Usyk is worth 35/40% it’s the biggest payday of his career at that price they need to stop being greedy

[letsgochump]

"Anytime, anywhere" means "under all my terms including me getting more money or there is no deal"

Languages change so fast.

[bullydean]

Oh boy here comes Fury vs Wilder 4.

Man 40% from the Saudi's is probably 30-50 million dollars. Just take the deal.

If anything this seems like a cash out from Usyk to me. He said Fury was the dream fight for his legacy and now he won't budge and is threatening undisputed.

Fury needs to stop being a baby.