Bruce Lee the Unbeatable

[hugh grant]

Gene were friends, if Lebell had something to say why would it be in public, why not in private?
Bruce's reasons for not sparring Joe, how to you know any of this? How could you possibly know what reasons Bruce had, where are you getting your information from?

Bruce Lee publicly said he could beat anyone in the world? Bruce Lee called out fighters? People were scared to say stuff to Bruce Lee's face? I have demonstrated to you that Wall is not a reliable source yet you insist on using him again. You have yet to give me a source for any of these comments.In fact you havent given me one source to back up anything you have said

Dont you get it.....once again. Gene Lebel supposedly makes it public now via Davis Miller that he dont rate bruce as a fighter. He has no problem of it being public knowledge now. So why not make it public knowledge when bruce was alive then? How hard is it to understand what im saying? Why cant you understand?

Bruce thought he could beat lebel, and lebel is going to have to deal with that.
I wont going any further here. It dont need further explanation.

[Adamantium]

Dont you get it.....once again. Gene Lebel supposedly makes it public now via Davis Miller he dont rate bruce as a fighter. He has no problem of it being publci now, so why not when bruce was alive? How hard is it to understand what im saying? Why cant you understand?

Bruce thought he could beat lebel, and lebel is going to have to deal with that.
I wont going any further here. It dont need further explanation.

Maybe Davis Miller was reading in between the lines of what Lebell said. Lebell knew Bruce, you did not, Joe Lewis knew Bruce, you did not. They knew the man, while you are relying on second hand sources. Gene LeBell is not going to rate Bruce as a fighter, because Bruce was untested as a fighter.
Bruce thought he could beat LeBell? According to who, what book have you read that covers this? You are giving me a lot of opionions, but no facts.

[mrboxer]

bruce lee was five foot seven and weighed 147 pounds after eating a thanksgiving dinner,if he were to fight a boxer at that weight he would get kayoed in the first round,if he fought a heavyweight and lee threw a kick the boxer would counter the kick with a hook to bruces thigh,the sharp pain from the thigh shot leaves bruce open to an uppercut and bruce goes flying through the ropes landing on the announcers table,if bruce fought a wrestler lee would try and throw a spin kick the wrestler would grab lee by leg and spin him a couple of times in the air and drop him to the mat,then the wrestler with the same ease as lifting a bag of potatoes picks lee up by the throat and throws him clear over the top rope,and lee lands head first into the cheap seats,bruce lee was a karate person and an actor,his fight stunts were coordinated well,but that is it they are stunts

[hugh grant]

Maybe Davis Miller was reading in between the lines of what Lebell said. Lebell knew Bruce, you did not, Joe Lewis knew Bruce, you did not. They knew the man, while you are relying on second hand sources. Gene LeBell is not going to rate Bruce as a fighter, because Bruce was untested as a fighter.Bruce thought he could beat LeBell? According to who, what book have you read that covers this? You are giving me a lot of opionions, but no facts.

Excuse me! You are the asking my opinions! You are the one asking why Bruce Lee sparred with Bob Wall and not Joe Lewis? You said it was because Bruce knew he could beat Bob, but not Joe? No, i would say he was confident of beating Bob and JOe. You asked the question so i gave an opinion. And then you ask me where i get my info, as if ive got a secret book. Well i come to my conclusion by thinking with my brain god gave me, and i conclude what i conclude. If you took the time to think, you may also be able to conclude it. Its not hard. But because like davis miller youu dont want to think and conclude you asked me my opinion and i gave it. You could easily have concluded why Bruce might not have sparred with Joe, without having to ask me.

Again Gene is not going to rate bruce as a fighter, because he was untested as a fighter? What does this mean? Tell me! How come Bob Wall rate Lee as a fighter? Why can Demile, and Jesse Glover rate bruce as a fighter and Lebel cant. Lebel is being stubborn thats why.
Now you are asking how i know bruce thought he could beat lebel? And you are asking what book i read again?
Actually i take back what i said about you. You arent honourable. Politer than many ive spoken to, but boils down to the same thing really. YOu could be Davis Miller actually. This is what we are dealing with.

[hugh grant]

So Lebel dont mind **** stirring to guys like Davis Miller of all people, in the hope Davis spreads his thoughts.
Well, Lebel didnt do that when Lee was alive. Because he wouldnt want what he secretly thought getting to back to bruce.
Bruce had a short temper, and hed take offence to Lebel talking like that about him, behind his back.

Face it, Lebel had the chance to talk when Lee was alive and chose not to. So get out of here with dont rate him as a figher talk.
You may be impressed with posthumous cheapshots, but dont expect others with higher standards of morality to be.

[Adamantium]

So Lebel dont mind **** stirring to guys like Davis Miller of all people, in the hope Davis spreads his thoughts.
Well, Lebel didnt do that when Lee was alive. Because he wouldnt want what he secretly thought getting to back to bruce.
Bruce had a short temper, and hed take offence to Lebel talking like that about him, behind his back.

Face it, Lebel had the chance to talk when Lee was alive and chose not to. So get out of here with dont rate him as a figher talk.
You may be impressed with posthumous cheapshots, but dont expect others with higher standards of morality to be.

This is getting us nowhere, in case you didnt notice about 5+ pages back I was ready to move on to other things, which is why I posted links to tracking the dragon and started to talk about John Little.

Opinions have to be based on something, some information of some kind. I read about boxing and watch boxing so I can give you my opinion on some fighters. Old skool fighters, I dont know much about, so I have no opinion of them.

For example. It is my belief that a prime Tyson could beat Audlley Harrison. What is my opinion based on? Watching footage of Tyson and Audley, watching documentaries about Tyson and reading about him.

Due to the fact that there is no footage of Bruce fighting, thats means your opinion of him has to based on what you have read. I have asked you what you have read and you never answer. You cite Bob Wall but I have already shown to you that he is not a credible source. If you watch that George Tan clip, Tan talks of how Wall said he could take Bruce in a fight. If you read the Penthouse article I posted a link to you will see, what Wall really thought about Bruce.

I have read about Bruce, I can quote to you from the books that I read, everything from The Tao of Bruce Lee to Fighting Spirit by Bruce Thomas. I can post you links to online interviews, which I have done.

You cite opinions which sound like folklore to me, and then refuse to tell me where you have read it. What good is that? If you have an opinion of why Bruce didn't spar with Joe it has to be based on something. Some interview with a close friend or something. How can we have a debate when you refuse to give some kind of evidence to back up your claims?

As for the personnal insults, that just shows how weak your arguement is. Im not a honourable person because I dont share your thoughts on Bruce? What kind of judgement is that? So I dont share your opinion on Bruce, so what. How does that affect you, really? I like Mayweather, alot of people here don't, does that bother me? Of course not, why should it? Do I judge or condemned anyone who disagrees with me about it? Of course not. So im going to leave this thread and go elsewhere,because all we are doing is going around in circles.

[mrboxer]

these people you mention, lee,wall,lewis,van damme,seagal,li,norris are only black belts,a black belt is nothing,a black belt is the same as a boy scouts badge,you do your time and you get a medal,these guys would not even be able to lick a stawweight boxer,

[hugh grant]

Due to the fact that there is no footage of Bruce fighting, thats means your opinion of him has to based on what you have read. I have asked you what you have read and you never answer. You cite Bob Wall but I have already shown to you that he is not a credible source. If you watch that George Tan clip, Tan talks of how Wall said he could take Bruce in a fight. If you read the Penthouse article I posted a link to you will see, what Wall really thought about Bruce.

I have read about Bruce, I can quote to you from the books that I read, everything from The Tao of Bruce Lee to Fighting Spirit by Bruce Thomas. I can post you links to online interviews, which I have done.

You cite opinions which sound like folklore to me, and then refuse to tell me where you have read it. What good is that? If you have an opinion of why Bruce didn't spar with Joe it has to be based on something. Some interview with a close friend or something. How can we have a debate when you refuse to give some kind of evidence to back up your claims?

As for the personnal insults, that just shows how weak your arguement is. Im not a honourable person because I dont share your thoughts on Bruce? What kind of judgement is that? So I dont share your opinion on Bruce, so what. How does that affect you, really? I:

My opinion is from what ive read. Ive read Bob Wall say bruce beat him. Ive heard anecdotes of people witnessing Bruce toying with Bob during sparring sessions. So when Bob says he could beat bruce, i get the feeling it is a hope and dream. When bob realized people were laughing at him, he knew he couldnt get away with such rubbish.
You are hardly goint to come to the conclusion you can beat someone after they bash you up in sparring are you? If i sparred with mike tyson and he was putting the hurt on me. I would hardly come to the conclusion i could beat Tyson if it were for real and in a streefight though am i?

You asked me why perhaps Bruce sparred with Bob and why not Joe. Only Bruce could honestly tell us that. But ive given a good reason that i concluded myself, without having to read a book to conclude. Bruces job was as a trainer to make Joe a better fighter. He did that. Bruce didnt have it on his training timetable for sparring with Joe. He had Joe busy with other stuff. Mike Stone told Joe Lewis, bruce lee was phenomenal. Bruce had nothing to prove to Joe.
You say Bruce was untested as a fighter, basically copying what Davis Miller says word for word. But dont back that up. Bruce who was 140lb beat Bob Wall who was a heavyweight and you say Bruce wasnt tested. Do i need to say anything else? Didnt Bob tell Lebel, Bruce blew him away during sparring?

He didnt fight absolutely everyone. But did Gene fight Bob? Did Gene fight Joe Lewis. Am i supposed to kiss Lebels ass just because he dared get in the ring with milo savage?

[mrboxer]

elvis presley was going to knock mike stone out,bob walls hands like lee were always held low,out of the group of these black belt cowboys not one would be able to beat elvis that is not because of elvis 7 degree black belt it is because of elvis street fighting abilities

[jkdking]

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