Bruce Lee the Unbeatable

[str8balln]

but then again...a highly skilled jiu-jitsu vs kung fu.......



this user has all vids showin how gracie jiu-jitsu beat different kinds of fightin style.

thats probably whats gonna happen to bruce lee if you shove him in an mma match.

[hugh grant]

Where have you read that Gene Lebell considers Bruce to be a great fighter? He says he is a great martial artist, but not a fighter, they are not the same thing. How do you know Lebell didn't say Bruce wasn't a great fighter to his face? Where are you getting your info from?

Every person that Bruce Lee fought or sparred with, would get destroyed by a prime Tyson or Sonny Liston. Are these two guys unbeatable? Of course not, yet Bruce Lee is for sparring with these people.

When martial art magazines asked their readers to vote on who was the best fighter of the century, they voted Joe Lewis. Who was way more accomplished than Wall. Why did Lee spar Wall and not Lewis?

Face facts. Lebel shared the mat with bruce. Show him all his grappling moves and stuff. Yet Bruce said he could beat everyone publicly. Bruce knew there were people not admitting all they knew, so he gave you the opportunity to speak up if you disagreed. He challenged the world and there were no offers as ive said. Lebels was probably thinking man noone has ever said they could beat me. So feels bruce disrespected him.

All Lebel had to do was say no bruce you cant beat everyone publicly. And it has to be publicly in print. Anything bruce ever did or said was in the public eye.Because if you are going to say you didnt think he was a great fighter in print after he died, why not when he was alive? Everyone said bruce was a great fighter, so why wouldnt Lebel? Is Lebel not human? Lebel didnt say to Bruces face he wasnt a great fighter, because he does think bruce was a great fighter. Otherwise he wouldnt tip toe around him. Dont ask me how do i know he tip toed around him now?

All historians have there own take on things. I take the info we have. You think its a possibility Lebel said to bruces face he wasnt a great fighter? That Lebel was brave enough to say that to bruces face, but didnt want the world to know how brave he was, and let the world know he said that to Bruce? Is that what you are implying How do we know he didnt say that to bruce you are now saying? Come on now? More like how do we know Bruce hasnt beat Lebel? Bruce said he could beat anyone. So how do we know he hasnt beat Lebel already? What? Just because Lebel hasnt admitted it? If you want to go down that road with me! He didnt even spar with bruce so how does he come to his conclusion that bruce werent a great fighter? Lebel has not said bruce wasnt a great fighter and that he didnt rate him as a fighter anywhere ive read!!! Davis Miller made that claim, again!!! Lebel dont want people to laugh him out of town like they did Joe Lewis and Bob Wall......supposedlyl!!

Is everyone supposed to be gullible?
Davis Miller trying to get us to believe Lebel dont rate bruce as a fighter? Lebel makes it known supposedly he dont think bruce was a great fighter publicly now after bruce is dead! Why not make it known when Lee was alive then when Lee was a cheeky chappy? I keep asking but get no answers.

[hugh grant]

I have no problem believing Bruce won, its the reason for the fight i'm not so sure about.
Any luck finding info about the girl who claimed she saw Bruce and Joe sparring?

Interviewer: You have been quoted as saying he never really sparred with anyone when you was around. Yet you did put on the gear and mix it up. In addition, Brenda Venus has stated she witnessed you spar with bruce often. Was her observation merely a lack of understanding on her part of what you were doing?

Joe Lewis: OVer the years ive heard various reports of various individuals claiming that they saw bruce and i spar. This is nosense. The only person observe bruce teaching me at one of the mlessons was ted wong. My lessons were private. No big deal, thats just the way it happened.
Over the years ive heard some wild stories. The guy who used to make equipment for bruce reported that he saw bruce and i sparring. Ive heard other reports of people claiming they saw bruce beat the hell out of me. As for brenda venus. She is a former miss texas, whom i used to date. However she never witnessed bruce teaching me. I never sparred any of the chinatown students.
The situation never presented itself in the first place.

[hugh grant]

Why did Lee spar Wall and not Lewis?

Bruce sparred with Bob because he wanted to show what he could do i suppose and that he could beat him.

With bruce lee not sparring with JOe is because it would be to show Joe he could beat Joe. THe things bruce would be doing to Joe would not be anything Joes opponents would do. So bruce didnt think it was in Joes best interests to spar with him.
Bruce went through scenarios and drills that Joe Lewis would likely encounter with is opponents in sport karate. So bruce did spar with Joe but Bruce didnt go all out on Joe. IT could of got heated and out of control. And that wouldnt have been beneficial to Joe. JOe could have got an injury. ANd that is not good when you are preparing him for a fight.

DeMille is entitled to his opinion, but that's all it is. What is it even based on anyway? How many world class fighters has he trained and sparred with? DeMille if im not mistaken claimed to be a pro boxer, I have yet to see footage of him fighting so I cant say how good he was. Isn't Demille's claim to fame that he teaches Bruce Lee's martial art? Not exactly the most objective individual if you ask me. over 200 street-fights are you joking, me?

YOu dont sound like you like bruce here. YOu sound spiteful and bitter just because someone is giving bruce credit.
Demile hasnt seen anyone around. Hes seen dvds of people and in tournaments in person likely. So hes as good as anyone to judge. Bob Wall said bruce was world class fighter. WHo knows if Bob thinks anyone could beat bruce. He just hasnt been asked it.

[Adamantium]

Interviewer: You have been quoted as saying he never really sparred with anyone when you was around. Yet you did put on the gear and mix it up. In addition, Brenda Venus has stated she witnessed you spar with bruce often. Was her observation merely a lack of understanding on her part of what you were doing?

Joe Lewis: OVer the years ive heard various reports of various individuals claiming that they saw bruce and i spar. This is nosense. The only person observe bruce teaching me at one of the mlessons was ted wong. My lessons were private. No big deal, thats just the way it happened.
Over the years ive heard some wild stories. The guy who used to make equipment for bruce reported that he saw bruce and i sparring. Ive heard other reports of people claiming they saw bruce beat the hell out of me. As for brenda venus. She is a former miss texas, whom i used to date. However she never witnessed bruce teaching me. I never sparred any of the chinatown students.
The situation never presented itself in the first place.

And this proves your point how? A ex-girlfriend says something about Joe Lewis and you believe it, why? Why is Brenda Lewis more reliable than Lewis?

[hugh grant]

And this proves your point how? A ex-girlfriend says something about Joe Lewis and you believe it, why? Why is Brenda Lewis more reliable than Lewis?

Know i dont believe Brenda. But im saying lots of people claim to have seen bruce and Joe spar. I dont believe they went all out like you

[Adamantium]

Bruce sparred with Bob because he wanted to show what he could do i suppose and that he could beat him.

With bruce lee not sparring with JOe is because it would be to show Joe he could beat Joe. THe things bruce would be doing to Joe would not be anything Joes opponents would do. So bruce didnt think it was in Joes best interests to spar with him.
Bruce went through scenarios and drills that Joe Lewis would likely encounter with is opponents in sport karate. So bruce did spar with Joe but Bruce didnt go all out on Joe. IT could of got heated and out of control. And that wouldnt have been beneficial to Joe. JOe could have got an injury. ANd that is not good when you are preparing him for a fight.



YOu dont sound like you like bruce here. YOu sound spiteful and bitter just because someone is giving bruce credit.
Demile hasnt seen anyone around. Hes seen dvds of people and in tournaments in person likely. So hes as good as anyone to judge. Bob Wall said bruce was world class fighter. WHo knows if Bob thinks anyone could beat bruce. He just hasnt been asked it.

You know comments like that weaken you argument. Just because I dont agree with DeMille, I have got to be spiteful and bitter? Dan Inosanto has trained with world champions the Gracies and Urquidez to name a few, he is highly respected in martial arts circles. He was a close friend of Bruce's and trained and sparred with him. He does not claim Bruce Lee was a superhuman fighter, he says that Urquidez could give him a run for his money. His opinion is based on training and watching other world class fighters. Why does DeMilles opinions on Bruce count, what is it based on? How many champions has he fought ,who has he trained? Bruce and Gene were friends, if Lebell had something to say why would it be in public, why not in private?
Bruce's reasons for not sparring Joe, how to you know any of this? How could you possibly know what reasons Bruce had, where are you getting your information from?

Bruce Lee publicly said he could beat anyone in the world? Bruce Lee called out fighters? People were scared to say stuff to Bruce Lee's face? I have demonstrated to you that Wall is not a reliable source yet you insist on using him again. You have yet to give me a source for any of these comments.In fact you havent given me one source to back up anything you have said

[Adamantium]

MOst MMA fighters who hit the heavybag dont look like boxers, and then they are automatically assumed to be not very good.

But Bruce lee and Wong promised not to talk about the fight. When the word got out WOng thought it was bruce lee who bragged, so lied about the outcome, asking for a rematch. Sour g****s.

You have to ask yourself if you had to put your life on it who would you believe? Just looking at lindas body language and describing it is enough for me.

The problem with this logic is that, the mma fighters you are talking about have:
1: records
2: fight footage

Bruce Lee has neither, so you cant make that assumption. his amateurish on the heavy bag, no defence and no combinations
In fact why dont you post some links of mma guys on the heavy bag.

[hugh grant]

The problem with this logic is that, the mma fighters you are talking about have:
1: records
2: fight footage

Bruce Lee has neither, so you cant make that assumption. his amateurish on the heavy bag, no defence and no combinations
In fact why dont you post some links of mma guys on the heavy bag.

I could post fedor on the heavy bag. He looks rubbish, slow and ponderous on it. But i bet if i showed you it, youd tell me how great he looks.

[Adamantium]

I could post fedor on the heavy bag. He looks rubbish, slow and ponderous on it. But i bet if i showed you it, youd tell me how great he looks.

Go ahead, then post a fight which highlights Fedor's boxing skill.