The New Marketing Plan For Today's Fighters

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

It's not for you decide. Whatever Espinoza said, it's for Dunkin to decide what to do next. And it appears Ennis' manager is reigned to the idea that the fight with Spence will never happen and will just wait for Eroll to vacate the title. And things seem to be going in that direction. It's not even a secret. It's expected. Take Karen fights in the interim while waiting.

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What?...... I haven't "decided" anything....I'm just stating that Espinoza has contradicted himself on multiple occasions regarding this subject..... You don't have to point out the obvious to me. I pay attention to the timeline and the actions.... Clearly Spence doesn't have Boots on his "To Do" list..... his entire career has had similar occurrences like this... He dropped from 154lbs to welterweight to become a contender...fought a drained champ coming off injury to get his first title. Refused to fight Thurman but fought 2 guys who lost to Thurman in Porter and Danny, then fought someone who lost to Porter in Ugas. Easy route is a phrase that came out his own mouth while face to face with Crawford, but his fans call him the "Boogie Man" or "The Truth"..... I see Thurman petitioned for a title shot but Spence's side wants the fight to be at 154lbs, thus the titles won't be up for grabs.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

I hear you but since he did not get an "official" win vs Canelo, I feel like he could have squeezed a unification vs Charlo or an Andrade to pad his record. Like it or not, on the official record, his best win will be against Jacobs when it is all said and done.

I get that.... but Charlo & Andrade did nothing to deserve a shot at GGG themselves at that time. Hell they wouldn't even fight each other while they both had a title in the same division.

[Afi23]

I get that.... but Charlo & Andrade did nothing to deserve a shot at GGG themselves at that time. Hell they wouldn't even fight each other while they both had a title in the same division.

Fair point!

That GGG, Charlo, Andrade era at 160 lbs (and Munguia to a lesser extent) was/is a very strange one. They have found a way to all miss eachother.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

Fair point!

That GGG, Charlo, Andrade era at 160 lbs (and Munguia to a lesser extent) was/is a very strange one. They have found a way to all miss eachother.

Yea, and let's not forget when Canelo was in the division with them....those same loop holes existed...... It hurts the fans in the long run because we want to see the best fights, but we have to settle for whatever makes the more money for a bunch of guys in a suit who never step into the ring.

[The D3vil]

First of all, boxing isn't even structured the same today as it was when Robinson was competing. Hell, it's structured different even when Holyfield was a big name......

An "incentive" is something that would motivate one to do something.....Robinson wasn't fighting all those opponents because of incentives....he was a prize fighter. His handlers put him in the ring and they paid him a cut from the revenue generated. Duran had 27 fights by the time he was a pro for 4 years.....Notice as his career moved along he began putting a lot more time in between bouts because this thing called NEGOTIATIONS became a big part of the sport

How TF did you take my comment as me saying they should only fight other champions?....... You are soooooo ready to debate a comment that you don't even take a second to try and comprehend what was actually said.

Ennis and Ortiz are universally highly ranked.....but so are sooo many other names like Thurman, Rocha, Avaneysan, Kavaliauskas, Ugas, etc....guys they have recently fought and/or have been rumored to be in negotiations with......which brings me back to my point......They have done nothing to deserve more than anyone else up there in the rankings. I'm not suggesting Crawford & Spence should ignore them or dismiss them, I'm just saying there are other priorities that both champions are trying to do for their legacy..... Ortiz nor Ennis have done anything to deserve them to altar their path to accommodate them.

Dude, David Avaneysan and Kavaliauskas are not universally accepted as top talents like Ortiz & Ennis

These guys are seen as the best young fighters in boxing.

And I feel you saying they shouldn't ignore or dismiss them, which it seemed like you were at first.

But lets be real, modern boxing's incentive model is (especially in the post-Floyd era) avoid high-risk, low reward fighters.

Ennis & Ortiz are young and unless they're forced to fight them, they're not going to.

That's the problem I'm seeing in boxing

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

Dude, David Avaneysan and Kavaliauskas are not universally accepted as top talents like Ortiz & Ennis

These guys are seen as the best young fighters in boxing.

And I feel you saying they shouldn't ignore or dismiss them, which it seemed like you were at first.

But lets be real, modern boxing's incentive model is (especially in the post-Floyd era) avoid high-risk, low reward fighters.

Ennis & Ortiz are young and unless they're forced to fight them, they're not going to.

That's the problem I'm seeing in boxing

How are Avaneysan and Kavaliauskas not universally accepted as top talents?......Both are ranked in the top 15 of the division. What are you talking about. Do you not know how many welterweights are currently active.... There are close to 2000 welterweights and these 2 are ranked higher than 1980-90 of them. Rankings are done by those directly involved with the sport like commentators, officials, retired fighters, sanctioning bodies, etc.... Are you trying to tell me that because YOU and other American boxing fans recognize Ennis and Ortiz as top talents, then no other fighters are on their level?......

There's nothing you can say about Ennis or Ortiz that you can't say about Avaneysan or Kavaliauskas's status. Regardless of the ignorance that was said through a silly YouTube Channel, Crawford didn't CHOOSE to pick them to fight, Kavaliauskas was his mandatory as is Rocha.....those fight were mandated..... Avaneysan petitioned the WBO to get the fight because the "then mandatory", Vergil Ortiz, had turned down offers to fight Crawford. Ennis didn't even try to get the Crawford fight. He petitioned to fight Spence only after word got out that Thurman petitioned to fight him.

So all of this notion that they have to be "forced" to fight Ennis and Ortiz or it's not going to happen is a bunch of bull. So of us seasoned fans know how boxing works. Yes there are politics that play against fighters at times, but at the end of the day, if a fighter wants to fight another fighter, they know how to get it done if the other fighter wants the same thing. Neither Ennis or Ortiz have done anything to show they really want to be in the ring vs Crawford other than say his name in an interview. Meanwhile the guys you are down playing like Avaneysan, Kavaliauskas, & Rocha didn't sit on a mandatory status for 2 years before petitioning. They put their name in the hat immediately because THAT'S WHAT FIGHTERS DO if they really want to be a champion.

Being "forced".......lol.......is that the same thing as being mandated......So why aren't you pushing the notion that Crawford was forced to fight Rocha.....nah, people are trying to make it seem like Crawford chose to go that route.

[Afi23]

^^^ I hear you but aren't you a bit disingeneous? Within the boxing context and that Top 15 rankings, we all know what "Top Talent" means.

[The D3vil]

How are Avaneysan and Kavaliauskas not universally accepted as top talents?......Both are ranked in the top 15 of the division. What are you talking about. Do you not know how many welterweights are currently active.... There are close to 2000 welterweights and these 2 are ranked higher than 1980-90 of them. Rankings are done by those directly involved with the sport like commentators, officials, retired fighters, sanctioning bodies, etc.... Are you trying to tell me that because YOU and other American boxing fans recognize Ennis and Ortiz as top talents, then no other fighters are on their level?......

There's nothing you can say about Ennis or Ortiz that you can't say about Avaneysan or Kavaliauskas's status. Regardless of the ignorance that was said through a silly YouTube Channel, Crawford didn't CHOOSE to pick them to fight, Kavaliauskas was his mandatory as is Rocha.....those fight were mandated..... Avaneysan petitioned the WBO to get the fight because the "then mandatory", Vergil Ortiz, had turned down offers to fight Crawford. Ennis didn't even try to get the Crawford fight. He petitioned to fight Spence only after word got out that Thurman petitioned to fight him.

So all of this notion that they have to be "forced" to fight Ennis and Ortiz or it's not going to happen is a bunch of bull. So of us seasoned fans know how boxing works. Yes there are politics that play against fighters at times, but at the end of the day, if a fighter wants to fight another fighter, they know how to get it done if the other fighter wants the same thing. Neither Ennis or Ortiz have done anything to show they really want to be in the ring vs Crawford other than say his name in an interview. Meanwhile the guys you are down playing like Avaneysan, Kavaliauskas, & Rocha didn't sit on a mandatory status for 2 years before petitioning. They put their name in the hat immediately because THAT'S WHAT FIGHTERS DO if they really want to be a champion.

Being "forced".......lol.......is that the same thing as being mandated......So why aren't you pushing the notion that Crawford was forced to fight Rocha.....nah, people are trying to make it seem like Crawford chose to go that route.

Dude, we all know the boxing rankings from these corrupt organizations are bullshxt

Alexis Rocha is Crawford's #1 contender.

There's not ONE person alive outside of Alexis Rocha's family & friends that sees him as the 3rd best WW on the planet.

If we polled boxing pundits & journalists, I'd bet virtually all of them would have Boots & Vergil as better than Avanesyan & Kavaliauskas

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

Dude, we all know the boxing rankings from these corrupt organizations are bullshxt

Alexis Rocha is Crawford's #1 contender.

There's not ONE person alive outside of Alexis Rocha's family & friends that sees him as the 3rd best WW on the planet.

If we polled boxing pundits & journalists, I'd bet virtually all of them would have Boots & Vergil as better than Avanesyan & Kavaliauskas

Mfer, what TF are you saying.... You are arguing circles around yourself. Stop being chick trying to win an argument with strangers and at least attempt to understand what is being said.

Nowhere did you see me say Alexis Rocha is the 3rd best WW on the planet. I said the fact he is ranked so high out of all the other possible WW that are active, it's clear to see that he is universally accepted as a top talent along with anyone else who gets the high praise of being ranked.

You want to bring up that the organizations are corrupt but it seems why they are corrupt to you because you don't agree with them. Most who address the corruptness in the sport know it's due the mob ties and the money generated from the matches...... Please give me a factual response as to how Alexis Rocha has mob ties and/or how him being Crawford's mandatory enhances anyone's chances on making more money?......... People say silly **** because it sounds good to them and refuse to admit they don't know **** about whatever they are complaining about.

And I pointed out ACTUAL FACTS, things that are documented and can be found on a timeline to support my comments...... You on here talking about 'IF' we polled boxing pundits and journalists.......... Mfer how the hell do you think we got the rankings........ESPN's rankings if from a bunch of boxing pundits & journalists.......last I checked Crawford is #1 on their list..... the mfer who are claiming isn't universally accepted as a top talent.....DAVID AVANEYSAN is #9 on their list. What about The RING Magazine.....that's polled by boxing pundits, former competitors, & journalists........guess what. David Avaneysan & Conor Benn are both in the top 10 on their list......

So again my point is.... Ennis and Ortiz are not the only mfers that are "universally accepted" as top talents. Just because you get a hard one when their name is brought up, doesn't mean everyone else is suppose to share your passion for that dude.

[PRINCEKOOL]

In boxing fighters can charter their own paths towards titles or big fights.

It has always been this way throughout history to a certain extent.

But I would say? In this modern era it is not more apparent.

Is there a old school way of marketing and progressing towards a title.

I think some fighters these days want to bypass levels 'They may acquire big fights this way, but for them as fighters it may not developed them optimally'.

This is where I think there is a genuine art and expertise in match making.

I will say this? Tyson Fury throughout his career and even now 'Has benefited from great match making'.

Fury outside of Kiltschko & Wilder has barely fought at World level. Most of his fights predominately have been at Domestic - High End European Level.

But still he has been matched against fighters who have ether tested him or produced good business 'I think this was due to the experience and team that has been around him'.

I don't think boxing needs a new way of marketing fighters. I actually think sometimes fighters need to apply old school tactics 'Chase fights more, and confront their opponents within physical reality'.