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  • _Rexy_
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    #21
    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
    Tyson Fury would beat Franklin without dropping a single round 'But I don't think he would stop him'.

    Fury was not going to stop Chisora without ether his corner or referee intervening.

    If Joshua beats Franklin, and stops him without dropping a round inside 7-9 rounds 'That is a top performance'.

    Franklin skill for skill is right there for Joshua. He has been selected, because he is a game fighter and aggressive 'But he is right there to be beaten up'.

    Could team Joshua have selected a higher level opponent? Yes.

    But coming off the back of two loses, this is not a terrible fight. Outside of all the super elite fighters, Franklin has already proven that he is a solid enough fighter.

    Parker, Dubios, Chisora, Wallin, Hrgovic, Zhang, Joyce, Wilder how many of these fighters beats Franklin without dropping a round? How many of these fighters blast him out?

    Maybe only Joe Joyce is the only one of those fighters there, who beats Franklin without dropping around 'Joyce would also stop him inside the distance'.

    Wilder, Ruiz Junior, Joyce, these are the only fighters outside the Champions in the division who beat Franklin impressively.

    From a pure boxing perspective, this is not a terrible fight. But boxing is show business, and I honestly think better fights could of been made.

    Anthony Joshua could of went straight into the rematch with Whyte 'And I think Joshua has the form, to beat Whyte without dropping a single round'.

    Joshua has the ability to beat Whyte, more impressively than Fury 'Fury's performance vs Whyte for me was overrated'.

    Fury was doing nothing up until the knock-out, and Whyte was in the fight. If Fury would of continued fighting Whyte the way he was without achieving a knock out 'It would of been rated as a under par performance'.
    Are you really giving AJ credit for this, considering it hasn't happened yet?

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    • PRINCEKOOL
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      #22
      Originally posted by 4truth

      Mostly agreed with what you said except that last part. I didn't think Whyte came close to winning any rounds. I don't see how he was ever in the fight at all, he looked like a a rank amateur, worse than I had feared.

      The KO was a mercy.
      Whyte was not winning the rounds, but? He was not losing them badly.

      He was in the fight, and still trying. Although Whyte's movement is terrible, he was still able to find Fury inside the ring.

      Fury's last two performances, have not been impressive.

      Notice how Fury celebrates his knock-outs? Real big power punchers don't celebrate like the way he does 'I am not the first person to point this out, Toney Bellew was the first to bring this up'.

      I don't think Fury is a monster puncher, I think the Chisora fight has proven this. Chisora was a mess, and still Fury would not fight him head on,

      But we all know Fury has a tendency to fight to the level of his opponent 'Still I was not impressed'.

      Note: Skill for skill the last top level performance from Fury was his rematch vs Wilder. In the 3rd fight Wilder got his tactics and preparation slightly wrong, gaining too much nonfunctional mass 'Decreased all of Wilder's best attributes'. Marginally Wilder did improve his brute strength, but still that attribute of his game was not world level 'Wilder for all of his punching power, is not a strong Heavyweight'.

      Wilder vs Fury III, was a great fight competitively 'The passion and brutally'. But skill for skill it was quite a low level Heavyweight fight 'Joshua vs Usyk I & II Skill for skill were higher level fights'.

      Fury & Wilder in their 3rd fight from round 2 on wards, were badly fatigued and making unforced errors.



      Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 02-08-2023, 04:43 PM.

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      • IronDanHamza
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        #23
        Originally posted by _Rexy_

        He's incredibly mentally weak.


        And he won probably 6 of 24 rounds. That's getting blown out.
        Aren’t you the guy who said Roy Jones was scared to rematch James Toney because he’d get knocked out even though Roy Jones won the fist fight 12-0?

        Is 12-0 a blow out to you?

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        • PRINCEKOOL
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          #24
          Originally posted by _Rexy_

          Are you really giving AJ credit for this, considering it hasn't happened yet?
          In the sentence you highlighted in bold 'I started that sentence with the word IF'.

          So I have zero idea, how you think I am giving him credit.

          But he will get credit if he beats Franklin inside 7-9 rounds via stoppage without dropping a single round.

          That is the type of performance I expect from Joshua. And I don't think there is a whole host of Heavyweights who can beat Franklin in that manner.

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          • STREET CLEANER
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            #25
            Originally posted by _Rexy_

            He's incredibly mentally weak.


            And he won probably 6 of 24 rounds. That's getting blown out.
            I remember AJ had Usyk hurt and looked like he was going to get to him but Usyk showed his resiliency. At minimum AJ won 8 rounds, if he won two more rounds in each fight it would had been a draw. The rounds he lost to Usyk were competitive. That is far away of getting blown out. If AJ would had made the right adjustments the outcome could had been different but he mentally can't.

            Clear wins for Usyk and is why I give him a chance against Fury. He is able to adjust in a fight and make it happen plus he is mentally strong.
            Last edited by STREET CLEANER; 02-09-2023, 08:09 AM.

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              #26
              More accurate to say...The team actually wanted someone Joshua could 100% KO in 2-3 rounds to recover from an otherwise poor performance over the last 5 fights. Jermaine has been only a part-time boxer in the last 2 years due to finances and other problems. Hopefully, the money earned from fighting Whyte would have given him enough to train for the Joshua fight.

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                #27
                Originally posted by STREET CLEANER

                I remember AJ had Usyk hurt and looked like he was going to get to him but Usyk showed his resiliency. At minimum AJ won 8 rounds, if he won two more rounds in each fight it would had been a draw. The rounds he lost to Usyk were competitive. That is far away of getting blown out. If AJ would had made the right adjustments the outcome could had been different but he mentally can't.

                Clear wins for Usyk and is why I give him a chance against Fury. He is able to adjust in a fight and make it happen plus he is mentally strong.
                Except he didn't have him hurt. Usyk got him to empty the tank. If Usyk was as hurt to the body as AJ Fans claim, he wouldn't have dominated the next three rounds.

                It was a trap, and AJ walked into it perfectly because he has zero ring IQ.


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                  #28
                  Originally posted by _Rexy_

                  Except he didn't have him hurt. Usyk got him to empty the tank. If Usyk was as hurt to the body as AJ Fans claim, he wouldn't have dominated the next three rounds.

                  It was a trap, and AJ walked into it perfectly because he has zero ring IQ.

                  Joshua did have Usyk hurt, but? He was not hurt badly.

                  Joshua has hurt Usyk more than any other Heavyweight thus-far in his career.

                  Chisora's intensity and pressure was tough. But he never really stopped Usyk in his tracks.

                  Joshua did abruptly stop and hurt Usyk in their second fight 'I believe it was the 9th round'.

                  And throughout the fight, Usyk was always complaining about Joshua's body punching 'Making out that they were low blows, when really he was just being hurt by them'.

                  Joshua has just went 24 rounds with Usyk, was not decked or stopped. And Usyk was a mess, and battered after both fights 'Go and check the state of Usyk after each fight'.

                  Joshua whether people like to admit it or not 'Is a capable boxer'.

                  He is not on the level of Usyk or Fury skill for skill, he is definitely not far behind.

                  Joshua has consistently fought at World or elite level since his 16th-17th professional fight, and he has not been a fighter who has taken a beating.

                  The reason why he has not taken a beating, is because skill for skill Joshua is a capable fighter.




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                    #29
                    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

                    Joshua did have Usyk hurt, but? He was not hurt badly.

                    Joshua has hurt Usyk more than any other Heavyweight thus-far in his career.

                    Chisora's intensity and pressure was tough. But he never really stopped Usyk in his tracks.

                    Joshua did abruptly stop and hurt Usyk in their second fight 'I believe it was the 9th round'.

                    And throughout the fight, Usyk was always complaining about Joshua's body punching 'Making out that they were low blows, when really he was just being hurt by them'.

                    Joshua has just went 24 rounds with Usyk, was not decked or stopped. And Usyk was a mess, and battered after both fights 'Go and check the state of Usyk after each fight'.

                    Joshua whether people like to admit it or not 'Is a capable boxer'.

                    He is not on the level of Usyk or Fury skill for skill, he is definitely not far behind.

                    Joshua has consistently fought at World or elite level since his 16th-17th professional fight, and he has not been a fighter who has taken a beating.

                    The reason why he has not taken a beating, is because skill for skill Joshua is a capable fighter.



                    You’re honestly such a fanboy I can’t take you seriously.


                    and “taking a beating” must be subjective since I seem to recall an obese fighter on short notice battering, dropping and stopping AJ

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by _Rexy_

                      Except he didn't have him hurt. Usyk got him to empty the tank. If Usyk was as hurt to the body as AJ Fans claim, he wouldn't have dominated the next three rounds.

                      It was a trap, and AJ walked into it perfectly because he has zero ring IQ.

                      Back on that crack I see ?

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