MAYWEATHER dominates Pacquiao sales. Again. And again. And again.

[Al Haymon]

PBF's the undisputed PPV champ of the world but REAL fans know what matters.

I understand what you are saying. but the "real fan" money is the same color as the "sometime-y fan".

[mannyman]

I understand what you are saying. but the "real fan" money is the same color as the "sometime-y fan".

PPV numbers matter to TV execs etc. PPV numbers can also stop potential fights as the other fighter 'don't bring a fan base'. The whole PPV thing pisses me off - tellin ya.

I aint denying PFBs draw or his skill set - skillz on the man are next level BUT think of any great - where does it mention his PPV numbers or the money he made?

[Al Haymon]

PPV numbers matter to TV execs etc. PPV numbers can also stop potential fights as the other fighter 'don't bring a fan base'. The whole PPV thing pisses me off - tellin ya.

I aint denying PFBs draw or his skill set - skillz on the man are next level BUT think of any great - where does it mention his PPV numbers or the money he made?

To be the best, you have to beat the best....right?

Well, unless you are a draw, how do you get the best to fight you? THAT is why PPV sales is so imporatant. You won't get the matchups you need unless you are a draw.

Why couldn't Winky or Forrest get the bouts they wanted? Why does Shane want to fight Mayweather, and not Paul Williams?

For all we know, Paul Williams may be the next SRL. Here's a guy who seems like he can simultaneously compete in (dominate?) 3-4 divisions. But he won't get the fights because he is dangerous, but not a draw. If he was dangerous, AND brought money, he would get the fights.

Feel me?

The old boxing model doesn't apply. You guys need to change and grow. What you (well, some of you) are clinging to is an outdated business model based on archaic paradigms.

Adapt...or die.

[mannyman]

To be the best, you have to beat the best....right?

Well, unless you are a draw, how do you get the best to fight you? THAT is why PPV sales is so imporatant. You won't get the matchups you need unless you are a draw.

Why couldn't Winky or Forrest get the bouts they wanted? Why does Shane want to fight Mayweather, and not Paul Williams?

For all we know, Paul Williams may be the next SRL. Here's a guy who seems like he can simultaneously compete in (dominate?) 3-4 divisions. But he won't get the fights because he is dangerous, but not a draw. If he was dangerous, AND brought money, he would get the fights.

Feel me?

The old boxing model doesn't apply. You guys need to change and grow. What you (well, some of you) are clinging to is an outdated business model based on archaic paradigms.

Adapt...or die.

Valid points and true but that's the problem. For instance what if PBF wasnt a draw? His skill would go unappreciated. U even say about PW - why should his career be determined on his marketability and not his skill. Don't get me wrong I aint naive enuf to think it aint a business but in all other sports the best rise to the top and if they're marketable then they make more.

Get me?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Floyd Mayweather is AMERICAN

that's why he attracts more PPV numbers

Pacquiao is NOT AMERICAN

get that in your head

PUHHHHLEASE..

Pacquiao has faught here long enough.

[goldenglove2]

Pay Per View Sales:


Vs Delahoya
Mayweather: 2.4 million
Pacquiao: 1.2 million

Vs. Marquez
Mayweather: 1.0 million
Pacquiao: 400K

Vs Hatton
Mayweather: 950K
Pacquiao: 825K

Total:
Mayweather: 4,35 million
Pacquiao: 2.43 million

Other Opponents

Mayweather vs Baldomir: 325K
Pacquiao vs Diaz: 175K

Mayweather vs Judah: 390K
Pacquiao vs Barrera: 350K

Box Office Sales:

Vs Delahoya
Mayweather: 17,078 attendance; $18.4 million revenue (the record)
Pacquiao: 14,468 attendance; $14.4 million revenue

Vs. Marquez:
Mayweather: 13,116 attendance
Pacquiao: 11,061 attendance

Vs Hatton:
Mayweather: 15,488 attendance; $10.4 million revenue
Pacquiao: 15,368 attendance, $8.8 million revenue


Mayweather sells more against common opponents.
Mayweather sells more against no-names (Baldomir/Diaz).

Mayweather….sells more.

Congratulations to Floyd for bringing the fans back to boxing...great for THE SPORT.

Pac is from the PI....the whole country stops to watch him fight..

Course Floyd sells more in the US....duh

[Al Haymon]

Valid points and true but that's the problem. For instance what if PBF wasnt a draw? His skill would go unappreciated. U even say about PW - why should his career be determined on his marketability and not his skill. Don't get me wrong I aint naive enuf to think it aint a business but in all other sports the best rise to the top and if they're marketable then they make more.

Get me?

I do. I do understand what you are saying. Management is much more important than it was in the past.

Here's the thing:

"Back in the day", during the SRR era, most people did NOT see those fights. Not only weren't the fights televised, but you could barely see it in closed circuit on celluloid. The fans today don't really know that. People either went to the fights, or listened to it on radio.

Today, the fights are televised, and boxing is competing with 300 other channels. The kids are all into video games. The games are mad violent. Kids see violent fights on UFC, and the films inaccurately portray what a fight is.

Back in the day, guys fought ten times a year because they HAD to. But today's top fighters get 7 and 8 figure checks. Promotions and camp takes 4 months. So, you can't fight everybody. By the time you hit your prime earning years, you are 28 or 30. And you have about 3 or 4 guaranteed years in your prime (not everybody is Hopkins).

So, for the 6 to 8 big money fights I get, I need to maximize that.

I'm not making excuses for ANY fighter. Floyd said that he came back to fight the best, and he needs to do that. I'm merely explaining the realities of the modern boxing game.

[El Angel]

Mayweather sells more PPV's, but Pacquiao is more exciting. Very confusing.

[Al Haymon]

Mayweather sells more PPV's, but Pacquiao is more exciting. Very confusing.

If you think about it, Gatti was the most exciting fighter during his era. but he was never huge commercially. Happens.

[Al Haymon]

Valid points and true but that's the problem. For instance what if PBF wasnt a draw? His skill would go unappreciated. U even say about PW - why should his career be determined on his marketability and not his skill. Don't get me wrong I aint naive enuf to think it aint a business but in all other sports the best rise to the top and if they're marketable then they make more.

Get me?

Side Question:

What will be the excuses when Cotto-Pac do 700K buys?