Comments Thread For: Showtime's Espinoza on Restarting Spence vs. Crawford Talks

[archiemoore1]

The way this dude Espinoza chooses his words, just his sentence structure, tells me he's a pure snake. He's saying its our way or the highway, but he says it in such a benign, innocent way, it almost sounds like he's not fu..king u over. Bud, take the offer, and train to start extremely fast and make it into a Hagler/Hearns..Errol ain't built like that like everybody think. Alcohol is very bad for your organs, plus he's been knocked out to the head by the concrete, he can't be the same no matter how much he trains. He lost 2 weeks of memory from that accident, so he was knocked out way worse than if it was from a punch. Jump on him and fight him hard. Dig to his liver and crack him hard upside his head on both sides. U see Ugas made him wobble and Ugas ain't no puncher like that. U can knock this man tf out, I am telling u, it just takes the right man for the job and the right shots. He's ready to go, that's why he ain't eager to do it with u

[Dizneyfist]

Oh shit! Oh my! How soon do we forget that it was Bud Crawford who chose to walk away from the talks and negotiations to fight David Avanyesan not Errol Spence remember? This is revisionist history at its worst.

Until Crawford is willing to remove his head out of his ass by negotiating in good faith and realize that he is not getting more money, a guarantee, a 50/50 purse split or a 50/50 split of the percentages and financial transparency then there will be no fight.

However at this point; Terence doesn't have any choice because he has run out of options and has no leverage at the bargaining table. He can no longer dictate terms and conditions because he is not a box office draw who can put enough meat in the seats.

Nor is he a pay per view attraction who can attract new fans to the sport. He is a price taker now and no longer a price maker as was before. The sooner he realizes this, then the better it will be for him.

Bud accepted the lower percentage which was stated. However some terms didn't sit right with him and he was inactive for far too long to let this drag out any longer. Don't kid yourself thinking that Spence is a star either. His PPV numbers against Ugas were abysmal and neither of the two are charismatic to draw in casuals like Ali, Floyd or even the once popular AB. Both need a popular dance partner to draw decent numbers and it just so happens Spence was with the promotional co. that provided most the champions at 147. If this fight doesn't happen Bud will fight his mandatory and a few more fights and retire it is what it is and I'm sure he'll be fine if it comes to that.

[Dizneyfist]

I believe both parties are responsible for this fight not happening. However much more so PBC because they have so much more to lose in the long run. If you apply common sense you would realize that the company was about to go belly up. At first I didn't believe the rumors but Al changed from free boxing to practically paying for most of its content on PPV which is quite a drastic change. Another matter is that most his best talent and popular upcoming stars were at 147. Where he built a solid revenue stream that would keep PBC in business for years to come. Why would he give that up to another company and let his foundation fall apart so someone else could thrive. It all adds up. It's why Al wouldn't give Pacquiao the fights he wanted and made sure when he finally acquired a deal with Pacquiao he never gave him the full pie but just a slice. It's business 101 and Al is not going to ever give up too much stock unless it's beneficial.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Crawford would need to accept a deal that may not be “perfect” to him.

Translated: accept your B-Side, or bounce.

[brettWall]

Espinoza was wondering why they spend so much time negotiating nothing. One week is all you need to know whether the fight can happen or not so that the other side can move on. It took them almost a year.

[Hands of Stone]

The way this dude Espinoza chooses his words, just his sentence structure, tells me he's a pure snake. He's saying its our way or the highway, but he says it in such a benign, innocent way, it almost sounds like he's not fu..king u over. Bud, take the offer, and train to start extremely fast and make it into a Hagler/Hearns..Errol ain't built like that like everybody think. Alcohol is very bad for your organs, plus he's been knocked out to the head by the concrete, he can't be the same no matter how much he trains. He lost 2 weeks of memory from that accident, so he was knocked out way worse than if it was from a punch. Jump on him and fight him hard. Dig to his liver and crack him hard upside his head on both sides. U see Ugas made him wobble and Ugas ain't no puncher like that. U can knock this man tf out, I am telling u, it just takes the right man for the job and the right shots. He's ready to go, that's why he ain't eager to do it with u

The Snake must have become a promoter for him to be speaking like someone that was knee deep in every negotiation. I thought Manager and Promoters are the ones that should be doing the negotiations and they then bring their agreement over to the network people e.g. Espinoza. This guy talks as if he was actively involved in every detail and speaks for Spence's side even more than his manager or promoter has said. That sounds like a snake slithering and playing favoritism.

[Lefty0616]

There are no current golden boy, sugar ray, Money Mayweather, Tyson type stars out there at the moment. There are no household names in boxing out there. The closest name is Canelo....and he's still no pop boxing icon. There is no real money out there for the current stars in boxing. Therefore, a Spence or a Crawford are not willing to get in the ring unless there can be real money to be made. They believe that if they are gonna risk their Os, they may as well make the most money that they will ever see ever in their lives. They don't believe that they can make more ever again. They don't seem intelligent enough to make stars out of themselves like Floyd did. The closest star in the making is Tank...maybe Garcia.

Greedy dumb corrupt promoters aren't helping at all either - Never seen anything like this in a long time.

[SweetPbfAli]

What people who keep saying dud wasn’t offered a gaurantee arent very smart. He was offered to be a partner. He’s gonna get an agreed upon % of the profits. Over a certain buy rate that percentage goes up. If he really believes in himself why wouldn’t he take that deal? Spence isn’t getting a gaurantee either. Dud can’t sell snow to an Eskimo. No one wants to take massive losses on his fights except tards like BLK who well probably never see again and no one even actually saw anyways. Also duds “win” over the euro bum gonna get overturned cause the loaded glove lol. I don’t understand this. If dud really thinks he can beat spence why not take a % sell the fight make it huge and you could conceivably make any gaurantee look paltry? Then after he beats spence like many of u think he’s top dog. He can command any salary cause he would be THAT guy. He won’t do it tho. Cause him and everyone in boxing knows he don’t want the fight. Like beat spence like u say. Then go up to 154 and beat up charlo. 2 huuuge fights for him. Beat spence and the charlo fight is worth triple due to the storyline of him and Spence being both Derrick james fighters. He only want to beat up bums tho. Dud isn’t a dummy. He duckin spence but I won’t say he’s dumb. Man has made a pretty penny beating up cab drivers why would he change what’s been working for him? Spence is a whole nother level dud duckford hasn’t seen. They didn’t expect him to thrash ugas like that.

Why can't people talk about these fighters with basic respect. Calling the man Dud is juvenile and not required to make a point

Now to the part him being a partner. A partner in what exactly? PBC? The promotion? Where did you obtain these negotiation points? Also, if someone offered you partnership in something but did not give you the full picture of the said business venture they are offering the partnership, would you accept blindly or require as much information as possible to make an informed decision? This is beyond this particular negotiation but a legit life question.

[LAchargers373]

The way this dude Espinoza chooses his words, just his sentence structure, tells me he's a pure snake. He's saying its our way or the highway, but he says it in such a benign, innocent way, it almost sounds like he's not fu..king u over. Bud, take the offer, and train to start extremely fast and make it into a Hagler/Hearns..Errol ain't built like that like everybody think. Alcohol is very bad for your organs, plus he's been knocked out to the head by the concrete, he can't be the same no matter how much he trains. He lost 2 weeks of memory from that accident, so he was knocked out way worse than if it was from a punch. Jump on him and fight him hard. Dig to his liver and crack him hard upside his head on both sides. U see Ugas made him wobble and Ugas ain't no puncher like that. U can knock this man tf out, I am telling u, it just takes the right man for the job and the right shots. He's ready to go, that's why he ain't eager to do it with u

Ur joking right? 1. Ugas is a better crawford 2. Crawford got str8 up dropped by kalvauskis and stank legged by a blown up 130lbr at 135 by gamboa

https://*************/watch?v=Y0i5KdmC9Jk

it ain’t Spence that’s getting knocked out if they fight y’all are hilarious

[archiemoore1]

Ur joking right? 1. Ugas is a better crawford 2. Crawford got str8 up dropped by kalvauskis and stank legged by a blown up 130lbr at 135 by gamboa

https://*************/watch?v=Y0i5KdmC9Jk

it ain’t Spence that’s getting knocked out if they fight y’all are hilarious

As soon as u said Ugas is better than Crawford, you proved that you don't know SH.T about boxing, my friend. In your fantasy world, "Crawford got str8 up dropped by Kavialuskas". 1st of all Kavialuskas "mean machine", is no joke whatsoever, he's tough and a good puncher. This guy, who Bud fought in 2019, visibly hurt Virgil Ortiz two years later in 2021, and had him wobbly and holding on b4 Ortiz came back and stopped him. When he caught Bud, it was a good right hand and then he held Bud's arm while he also tried to put his weight on Bud's neck and was punching and Bud's left knee touched the canvas for a split second and he was right back up and was not wobbly even in the slightest, and Bud immediately proceeded to kick his ass real good and stopped him later on after giving him a vicious beating. How is this "str8 up dropping" Bud? Ur talking out of ur ass. Then u gotta go all the way back to 2014 when Bud was 135 and Gamboa was still in his prime, still undefeated, 23-0 pro with his background being an olympic gold medal with over 250 amateur fights behind him, a guy who didn't yet know how to lose, and Bud controlled thst entire fight then he got too cute and charged in and got hit with a good shot that shook him, but again, he went on basically give Gamboa a savage beating and then a highlight reel knockout, something no one else had EVER done to Gamboa b4. And u can argue that he ruined Gamboa, because he was never the same after that fight. So u are really grasping at straws. Errol was wobbled much more recently by Ugas and to his credit, he recovered well too. But he is vulnerable, he isn't superman, especially now