Why do people act like Anthony Joshua ducked Wilder ?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You really are desperate for attention, the real world must be treating you poorly again.

Peace out troll, its Christmas, try to get some time away from this thread and countless arguments you start.

I’m the one guy in this thread not arguing about the failed negotiations from years ago for a fight that didn’t ever happen. You keep protecting though.

Did you take an oath or something?

“I M312 hereby take this oath to always protect Matchroom against anyone and anything who should speak against them”.

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Who gives a toss? They both ducked each other and this fight will never happen.

[Toffee]

I don't think he did back then. Before the Ruiz Junior loss? I think both Wilder & Fury were intimidated by Joshua.

With Fury being less intimidated, but still weary and more motivated to fight Wilder.

Both Wilder & Fury fought each other so they did not have to fight Anthony Joshua.

That is what the situation back then always looked like to me.

Still Wilder would of been a bad stylistic match up for Joshua, then and now. Wilder is a more dangerous fight for Joshua than Tyson Fury etc.

At that point I don't think Joshua or Fury were intimidated. Each would have thought they were the best and would win against anyone.

But that's the fighters. Their teams would have seen things differently. They really thought they could marinate the fight into a super fight. For as much as Wilder v Joshua remains such a missed opportunity, people seem to forget that Joshua didn't have a huge US profile yet and Wilder really didn't have much of a profile at all.

I don't think either saw obese Fury as a serious threat at that time. Team Wilder saw an opportunity to finally put a credible win on the CV. Meanwhile Fury knew what most outside of Wilder's camp knew - Wilder wasn't very good. Fury's team certainly would have preferred Wilder at that time. It was the easiest path back to champion.

As for Fury v Joshua, it just needs to be made at the right time.

[hugh grant]

You have to be an.optimist. If Pac and floyd fought 6 years too late, if wilder and Josh fight only 4 years too late then that's great.

[PRINCEKOOL]

At that point I don't think Joshua or Fury were intimidated. Each would have thought they were the best and would win against anyone.

But that's the fighters. Their teams would have seen things differently. They really thought they could marinate the fight into a super fight. For as much as Wilder v Joshua remains such a missed opportunity, people seem to forget that Joshua didn't have a huge US profile yet and Wilder really didn't have much of a profile at all.

I don't think either saw obese Fury as a serious threat at that time. Team Wilder saw an opportunity to finally put a credible win on the CV. Meanwhile Fury knew what most outside of Wilder's camp knew - Wilder wasn't very good. Fury's team certainly would have preferred Wilder at that time. It was the easiest path back to champion.

As for Fury v Joshua, it just needs to be made at the right time.

Fury is still bothered by Joshua. And so are his hardcore fans.

And I honestly do think Wilder & Fury were intimidated by Joshua before his loss.

Stylistically, I just don't think they were game to fight him. This apprehension is less now from both Fury and Wilder.

I am not too bothered about Joshua vs Fury. Right now, I think it is overrated match up.

Joshua needs some wins, and big wins which legitimatize the fight.

[hugh grant]

Fury is still bothered by Joshua. And so are his hardcore fans.

And I honestly do think Wilder & Fury were intimidated by Joshua before his loss.

Stylistically, I just don't think they were game to fight him. This apprehension is less now from both Fury and Wilder.

I am not too bothered about Joshua vs Fury. Right now, I think it is overrated match up.

Joshua needs some wins, and big wins which legitimatize the fight.

I agree fury was worried as was wilder. All fury got to go on was beating josh have him in sparring, that's only reference of what it's like.
I'm bothered to watch it as Josh would be one of fury best wins.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I agree fury was worried as was wilder. All fury got to go on was beating josh have him in sparring, that's only reference of what it's like.
I'm bothered to watch it as Josh would be one of fury best wins.

Yes and at the time of the first Fury vs Wilder fight.

Fury's best performances were, beating Derek Chisora. And winning a fight with trickery vs Wladimir Kiltschko.

Big wins for Fury statistically, but he was not a fighter his opponents were intimidated by.

Joshua was looking like a more formidable fighter. A super Heavyweight, who could throw combinations with power 'And get back up off the deck to win via Knock Out'.

[buddyr]

First of all, Joshua didn't offer any deal. DAZN wanted to sign Wilder away from PBC and the networks they do business with. DAZN offered Wilder the contract.

Second, Joshua's loss to Ruiz, which everyone who brings this up leaves out, would've blown everything up anyway.

Here was the deal DAZN offered Wilder.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...ure-dazn-offer

The deal was $20 million for Breazeale the early summer 2019 and $40 million for Joshua in the fall of 2019 in a unification ... but if Wilder had taken it ... Joshua was no longer the champion in the fall. Joshua had been dropped four times and quit against Ruiz.

So, had Wilder signed the deal, Wilder SITS ON THE SHELF from the Breazeale fight in May 2019 until ... when? ... not earning anything.

After Joshua beat Ruiz in their rematch, Joshua and Wilder would NOT have fought before early March, when COVID struck and they were all out for basically the whole year.

So Wilder would've gotten his $20 million for Breazeale and then he'd have sat on the shelf for, what, two years?



And that's if the WBC never stripped Wilder in that time for not rematching Fury (which the WBC called for in 2019, which you also left out).

So, had Wilder signed with DAZN, we may have very well gotten Wilder-Fury II and Joshua-Pulev (two mandatories) before we ever saw them in the ring.

Instead, Wilder got $10 million to fight Breazeale and $20 million for Ortiz 2, and he and Fury, after PPV, made $25 million for their rematch and Wilder reportedly made $20 million from the PPV for the third fight (40 percent of his 60-40 split with Fury).

So Wilder did fine. You don't have to worry about Deontay.

He ended up making more than he would've if he'd had to sit on the shelf for two years doing nothing.

Long story short, the $100 million DAZN deal would've basically been ruined when Joshua quit in Madison Square Garden.

Instead, we got the three Wilder-Fury fights (an All-time classic series). And we saw Joshua lose his title twice to a late sub and a cruiserweight. And DAZN saved $100 million.

Everybody won.

I'm glad someone with some f*kin sense has finally posted this. It's been known for years, but Joshua fans keep running with that narrative he was duckd. NObody would duck that chinless bloke.

[MONGOOSE66]

Right now AJ should be ducking EVERYONE. He isn’t in a good mindset. I’m not sure if he can come out of it. He seems to of lost interest to me. He is still one hell of a fighter though when right.

[WillieWild114]

I'm glad someone with some f*kin sense has finally posted this. It's been known for years, but Joshua fans keep running with that narrative he was duckd. NObody would duck that chinless bloke.

He still ducked ! by ducking defintition.He didnt know Ruiz was gonna beat Joshua and he said himself he denied the AJ fight.