Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Views Joe Joyce as Tougher Opponent Than Oleksandr Usyk

[jonnyc420]

It's true, Usyk is just too small. No way he lasts 12 rounds with Fury. His legs will be gone in 6 stopped in 9. Joyce is a walking stone slab. Fury doesn't hit hard enough to stop Joyce's march forward. His punch speed though is why Fury beats him by a UD.

[jonnyc420]

Crawford will fight Spence before Fury ever fights Usyk.

Fury fights the hardest puncher in the sport 3 times, yet is scared of a guy who doesn't have the power to hold him off? Skillwise Usyk is better, not by much. Fury will come into that fight lighter than his last few fights and be mobile and use the crazy reach advantage, he'll still be heavy enough to wear Usyk down when he leans on him.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Styles make fights, And Fury knows Usyk, as good as he is, can't win a boxing match against him. But Joyce is hungry, big, determined, can take a punch and give one, and his relentless pressure will give him a hard time, specially heading in the championship rounds.

Why? Usyk has superior movement, hand speed, punch combination speed and endurance.

Now I know that people like to claim that Fury has great endurance.

But when you check the statistics, you will then realize that Fury's endurance is completely overrated.

On another thread about Anthony Joshua, I posted the statistics of Fury's & Joshua's elite level fights.

Joshua was out working Fury in most of his fights, or at-least matching him. But still there is this narrative that Fury has monster endurance.

Usyk & Joyce statistically have the best endurance in the Heavyweight division. Joshua is criticized for his lack of endurance, but he has better endurance than 95% of the other Heavyweights in the division 'It is just a area of his game, which is not his strong point'.

Fury & Joshua are pretty much level on endurance. When you analyse the statistics.

Joshua has actually in my opinion achieved greater feats of endurance vs Kiltschko.

I.E Being decked by Kiltschko mid way through the fight, to then fight back and Knock out Kiltschko late in the fight 'Is a more impressive feat of endurance than anything Fury has ever achieved'.

Fury was decked by Wilder in round 12 of their first fight. It was still a great feat of endurance to survive the knock down, but Fury only had to fight back survive until the end of the round.

But now specifically talking about Usyk. It is Tyson Fury's inside game, which is the game changing attribute.

Fury has not shown the ability of late to out box a fighter of Usyk's caliber. If Fury beats Usyk at this stage, I personally think it will be because of his superior inside game.

Note: One thing people continue to overlook with Fury is? Tyson Fury skill for skill has not actually fought at elite level since the Kiltschko fight. That was the last time Tyson Fury actually fought another fighter, who technically all round was a elite level fighter. Deontay Wilder was a elite level fight, and I do rate Wilder extremely highly 'But in terms of technical skill, no boxing purist rates Wilder as a elite level fighter' That is no disrespect towards Wilder, I am specifically just talking about his boxing skills.

Tyson Fury is having all these stay busy fights, against fighters who are ether domestic or high end European level fighters. Do boxing fans here actually believe there is any carry over from these fights? I don't think Fury is learning anything new from beating Whyte & Chisora.

But Usyk in comparison has just beaten Anthony Joshua, who is a solid super heavyweight back to back twice over 12 rounds 'In a Super Elite match up'. And people may mock Joshua, but skill for skill from mid-long range he is a very capable fighter 'It is not Fury's boxing ability that is going to bother Usyk, it is the violent inside game'.

I rate Tyson Fury as the number 1 Heavyweight. But there is possibility that his lack of experience, in fighting elite level technically skilled fighters 'Might just show up vs Usyk' This is definitely something to consider and debate leading up to this fight.

[Boxing 112]

Tyson is petrified by Usyk, he'll NEVER face the Ukrainian.

Crazy how many of you claim this. Will look real ****** when he faces and beats Usyk next.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Crazy how many of you claim this. Will look real ****** when he faces and beats Usyk next.

lol, How many of this headlines do we see? Fury claims he will fight everyone and then fights 2 top-10 opponents in 7 years.

I like that you still believe though

[Nusky]

This Bipolar cokehead talks too much.

I'm just hoping after fighting 2 overrated fat boys back-to-back, he'll give us a fight we actually care to see him in.

[fistic flow]

Why? Usyk has superior movement, hand speed, punch combination speed and endurance.

Now I know that people like to claim that Fury has great endurance.

But when you check the statistics, you will then realize that Fury's endurance is completely overrated.

On another thread about Anthony Joshua, I posted the statistics of Fury's & Joshua's elite level fights.

Joshua was out working Fury in most of his fights, or at-least matching him. But still there is this narrative that Fury has monster endurance.

Usyk & Joyce statistically have the best endurance in the Heavyweight division. Joshua is criticized for his lack of endurance, but he has better endurance than 95% of the other Heavyweights in the division 'It is just a area of his game, which is not his strong point'.

Fury & Joshua are pretty much level on endurance. When you analyse the statistics.

Joshua has actually in my opinion achieved greater feats of endurance vs Kiltschko.

I.E Being decked by Kiltschko mid way through the fight, to then fight back and Knock out Kiltschko late in the fight 'Is a more impressive feat of endurance than anything Fury has ever achieved'.

Fury was decked by Wilder in round 12 of their first fight. It was still a great feat of endurance to survive the knock down, but Fury only had to fight back survive until the end of the round.

But now specifically talking about Usyk. It is Tyson Fury's inside game, which is the game changing attribute.

Fury has not shown the ability of late to out box a fighter of Usyk's caliber. If Fury beats Usyk at this stage, I personally think it will be because of his superior inside game.

Note: One thing people continue to overlook with Fury is? Tyson Fury skill for skill has not actually fought at elite level since the Kiltschko fight. That was the last time Tyson Fury actually fought another fighter, who technically all round was a elite level fighter. Deontay Wilder was a elite level fight, and I do rate Wilder extremely highly 'But in terms of technical skill, no boxing purist rates Wilder as a elite level fighter' That is no disrespect towards Wilder, I am specifically just talking about his boxing skills.

Tyson Fury is having all these stay busy fights, against fighters who are ether domestic or high end European level fighters. Do boxing fans here actually believe there is any carry over from these fights? I don't think Fury is learning anything new from beating Whyte & Chisora.

But Usyk in comparison has just beaten Anthony Joshua, who is a solid super heavyweight back to back twice over 12 rounds 'In a Super Elite match up'. And people may mock Joshua, but skill for skill from mid-long range he is a very capable fighter 'It is not Fury's boxing ability that is going to bother Usyk, it is the violent inside game'.

I rate Tyson Fury as the number 1 Heavyweight. But there is possibility that his lack of experience, in fighting elite level technically skilled fighters 'Might just show up vs Usyk' This is definitely something to consider and debate leading up to this fight.

Some pearls of nonsense in that post. What the heck is 'Super Elite'? And if we're using that as a yardstick, Chisora ran Usyk far closer over 12. But I guess his basic style, or rather him being able to do what Joshua couldn't, doesn't deserve that tag.

As for endurance, Fury isn't the one that's ever run out of steam, and he didn't just survive in that 12th round, remember it was Wilder hanging on at the last; and having become the aggressor and found that it worked, would you have honestly bet against him winning if it had been 15 rounds?

And skillwise Fury is every bit on a level with Usyk, switching stances, moving laterally, blocking and swaying away from punches as well as being able to spin opponents, he's just more unorthodox. Also, having an inside gane is part of having 'boxing ability'. It's called being an all-rounder.

I know you don't like Fury, but come on, his shot selection and abillity to put together different combinations is as good as anyone's. Ask yourself who's the more likely to land hooks or uppercuts from in close or at range?

[hugh grant]

Usy k more important fight. Get that out of way. Then Joyce will be entertaining fight and a great win for fury

[PRINCEKOOL]

Some pearls of nonsense in that post. What the heck is 'Super Elite'? And if we're using that as a yardstick, Chisora ran Usyk far closer over 12. But I guess his basic style, or rather him being able to do what Joshua couldn't, doesn't deserve that tag.

As for endurance, Fury isn't the one that's ever run out of steam, and he didn't just survive in that 12th round, remember it was Wilder hanging on at the last; and having become the aggressor and found that it worked, would you have honestly bet against him winning if it had been 15 rounds?

And skillwise Fury is every bit on a level with Usyk, switching stances, moving laterally, blocking and swaying away from punches as well as being able to spin opponents, he's just more unorthodox. Also, having an inside gane is part of having 'boxing ability'. It's called being an all-rounder.

I know you don't like Fury, but come on, his shot selection and abillity to put together different combinations is as good as anyone's. Ask yourself who's the more likely to land hooks or uppercuts from in close or at range?

Everyone knows that the Chisora who fought Usyk, was in better condition. Still? I think the Chisora fight is irrelevant.

Stylistically it has always been a easier fight for Tyson Fury.

Tyson Fury runs out of steam all the time, looks to me like he ran out of steam vs Wilder 3. It was just that he was inside the ring, with a fighter in Wilder who could not capitalize on this.

I have watched Chris Euabnk Junior switch stances, moving latterly, blocking and swaying punches at domestic level 'Big deal'.

Lets be honest mate, come on now? Just be honest with yourself. Tyson Fury all those skills you are talking about, he is only displaying them against fighters who are not operating at world level 'Fury's last two fights have not been world level fights, and Deontay Wilder skill for skill is not a elite level fighter' As dangerous and serious of a fighter Wilder is, he does not have all round elite level boxing skills 'No disrespect to Wilder, because I rate him'.

As I stated in my first posts, Fury has not actually fought at elite level skill for skill since the Kiltschko fight

Wilder was not hanging on to survive vs Fury 1. The only fighter who was hurt badly in that fight was Fury. You need to be objective, and stop making things up.

Tyson Fury got up and survive a knock out blow, to then to his credit launch a offensive attack. Wilder was not decked, or hurt badly.

Note: Tyson Fury is the favorite vs Usyk. But what I am stating is? Skill for skill, Fury has not really been fighting anyone, anywhere near Usyk's technical level. So all these skills you are talking about, might not be as effective vs Usyk like you are anticipating.

People **** on about Fury's speed, but again being critical and objective. Is Tyson Fury really that fast? Fury is not a slow fighter, but I would never describe him as a speedster 'Not at any point in his career'.

[csammy123]

Someone remind Fury that Usyk already beat Joe Joyce, and rather easily.