Fury and IBF

[QueensburyRules]

I'm aware of boxing politics. I've been following boxing since the 1970s. The orgs will list the champion of another org if he also holds their belt. My point is about the IBF and Fury. Fury was their champ. They arbitrarily stripped him 10 days after he won the World Title for rules they invented themselves ... and I understand him saying he'll never pay for the IBF a sanctioning fee ever again.

And since the IBF dropped Fury, the IBF has basically had a laundry list of titlists, none of whom was the World Champion. They had the World Champion, then they dropped him after 10 days because they felt Czar Glazkov was more important than the new World Champ Tyson Fury and Wlad Klitschko (who had been their champ for 10 years and made 18 or 19 defenses) ... and they are still feeling the repurcussions of that.

It was a dumb move ... and one Fury certainly hasn't forgotten.

And forget Ring. They don't even acknowledge Fury is a current heavyweight ... even though 60,000 people are going to watch him fight tomorrow. Total idiots.

Somehow they managed to strip the most active heavyweight on the planet and the World Champion of their "belt" while he was in training camp and looking for his next opponent.

The WBC is smarter than Ring at this point.

- - Nobody but fools and gerbils gonna attempt too get the fainting Flubber in the ring. His recent history is a guaranteed as a loss leader.

PPV vs Shot Chisora...

[Dubblechin]

Usyk won those belts fair and square, the same way Fury did - fighting as the underdog in the champion's backyard. And Usyk never lost them in the ring either. He also won the Ring belt, which Fury once said was the only belt that really mattered.

Your reasoning is all over the place here. If you're saying that Usyk holding 4 belts doesn't give him any claim to be the champ, then you can't also be saying that Fury is the real champ because he used to hold the same 4 belts before Usyk. That just doesn't make sense.

We'll know who the real world heavyweight champion is after the winner of Fury/Chisora fights Usyk. Who had the most fights last year is irrelevant.

Fury had the Ring belt the first SEVEN months of THIS YEAR. Who did he lose it to? Every belt Usyk has was Fury's ... and Fury never lost them to Usyk.

And it matters how many times Fury and Usyk have fought recently to show how goddamn ridiculous this has become. Somehow, Ring stripped the title from an ACTIVE heavyweight champion and awarded it to another guy below him and removed the active WORLD champion from their ratings altogether.

WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN? EVER?

Those clowns running Ring are more ****** than the sanctioning bodies at this point. The WBC didn't even believe Fury retired ... because HE DIDN'T RETIRE.

He was posting training videos the entire time and talking about the discussions he was having with different opponents (one of whom was Chisora who he is defending against today) the whole way.

I've been following boxing for 40+ years and I never saw Ring Magazine act so willfully ignorant as they did.

Any org that doesn't rank either participant in the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE fight which is taking place today in front of 60,000 fans in North London and in front of a global television audience IS USELESS.

Their ratings don't represent what's happening in the sport right now AT ALL.

So you can chuck the Ring Magazine ratings guys and the IBF ratings guys in the some trash bin.

Despite what Ring and the IBF want you to believe ... here is where you can see the fight today (I borrowed the list below from another thread).


BT Sport Box Office PPV (UK)
ESPN Plus (USA)

Sport 4 (Israel)
SportKlub 2 HD (Slovenia)
SportKlub 1 HD (Serbia)
SportKlub 1 HD (Montenegro)
SportKlub 1 HD (Croatia)
SportKlub 1 HD (BiH)

RMC Sport 2 HD (France)
Bild Plus (Germany)
Eurosport 2 (Spain)
Mola TV Italia (Italy)
V sport+ Suomi (Finland)
S Sport +, S Sport 2 (Turkey)
Sport TV 3 (Portugal)
Max Sport 1 HD (Bulgaria)
VoYo (Romainia)
VOO Sport World 1 (Belgium)

TSN2 (Canada)
TV3 Sport 2 (Estonia)
TV3 Sport 2 (Latvia)
TV3 Sport 2 (Lithuania)
Canal+ Sport 1 (Nigeria)
Blue Sport 1, (Switzerland)

WoWoW Live TV - WOWOW On Demand Streaming (Japan)

ViaPlay Swedan PPV
ViaPlay Denmark PPV
ViaPlay Norway PPV
Polsat Sport (Poland)
O2 TV Sport (Czech Republic)
Cosmote Sport 9 (Greece)
ORF Sport+ (Austria)

Sky Arena PPV (New Zealand)
Main Event PPV (Australia)

ESPN 2 (Argentina)
ESPN 2 (Chile)
Fox Sports (Colombia)
ESPN (Mexico)
Fox Sports (Peru)
ESPN 2 (Uruguay)


SuperSport will broadcast Fury vs Chisora in over 45 African countries (Double check TV listings please)

[kafkod]

Fury had the Ring belt the first SEVEN months of THIS YEAR. Who did he lose it to? Every belt Usyk has was Fury's ... and Fury never lost them to Usyk.

And it matters how many times Fury and Usyk have fought recently to show how goddamn ridiculous this has become. Somehow, Ring stripped the title from an ACTIVE heavyweight champion and awarded it to another guy below him and removed the active WORLD champion from their ratings altogether.

WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN? EVER?

Those clowns running Ring are more ****** than the sanctioning bodies at this point. The WBC didn't even believe Fury retired ... because HE DIDN'T RETIRE.

He was posting training videos the entire time and talking about the discussions he was having with different opponents (one of whom was Chisora who he is defending against today) the whole way.

I've been following boxing for 40+ years and I never saw Ring Magazine act so willfully ignorant as they did.

Any org that doesn't rank either participant in the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE fight which is taking place today in front of 60,000 fans in North London

and in front of a global television audience IS USELESS.

Their ratings don't represent what's happening in the sport right now AT ALL.

So you can chuck the Ring Magazine ratings guys and the IBF ratings guys in the some trash bin.

Despite what Ring and the IBF want you to believe ... here is where you can see the fight today (I borrowed the list below from another thread).


BT Sport Box Office PPV (UK)
ESPN Plus (USA)

Sport 4 (Israel)
SportKlub 2 HD (Slovenia)
SportKlub 1 HD (Serbia)
SportKlub 1 HD (Montenegro)
SportKlub 1 HD (Croatia)
SportKlub 1 HD (BiH)

RMC Sport 2 HD (France)
Bild Plus (Germany)
Eurosport 2 (Spain)
Mola TV Italia (Italy)
V sport+ Suomi (Finland)
S Sport +, S Sport 2 (Turkey)
Sport TV 3 (Portugal)
Max Sport 1 HD (Bulgaria)
VoYo (Romainia)
VOO Sport World 1 (Belgium)

TSN2 (Canada)
TV3 Sport 2 (Estonia)
TV3 Sport 2 (Latvia)
TV3 Sport 2 (Lithuania)
Canal+ Sport 1 (Nigeria)
Blue Sport 1, (Switzerland)

WoWoW Live TV - WOWOW On Demand Streaming (Japan)

ViaPlay Swedan PPV
ViaPlay Denmark PPV
ViaPlay Norway PPV
Polsat Sport (Poland)
O2 TV Sport (Czech Republic)
Cosmote Sport 9 (Greece)
ORF Sport+ (Austria)

Sky Arena PPV (New Zealand)
Main Event PPV (Australia)

ESPN 2 (Argentina)
ESPN 2 (Chile)
Fox Sports (Colombia)
ESPN (Mexico)
Fox Sports (Peru)
ESPN 2 (Uruguay)


SuperSport will broadcast Fury vs Chisora in over 45 African countries (Double check TV listings please)

Fact check:

The Ring never stripped Fury of their belt and awarded it to Usyk. What actually happened was that Fury announced his retirement and vacated the Ring title himself. The Ring then announced that they would award their title to the winner of the upcoming rematch between Usyk and Joshua, who were their 2 highest ranked HW

When have the Ring EVER continued ranking a fighter and recognising him as champion AFTER he announced his retirement and vacated their belt?

Fury also told the WBC he had retired - allegedly - but the WBC, being a corrupt joke of an organisation, continued to recognise him as champion anyway, just in case he changed his mind. I'm going to be streaming Fury/Chisora, btw, I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens when Fury and Usyk meet face to face after the exhibition match with Del Boy is out of the way. Hopefully, the fight we all want to see will be announced in the ring, there and then.

[QueensburyRules]

You can't make your first title defense 10 DAYS AFTER YOU WIN THE TITLE.

The IBF stripped Fury 10 days after winning the belt from Wlad Klitschko because they thought Czar Glazkov was more deserving of a title fight than the reigning World Champ Fury and Wlad, who had held their belt for 10 years and made 19 title defense.

That ridiculousness (stripping a champ 10 days after he wins the belt) doesn't get glossed over because Fury ultimately melted down. And the IBF hasn't been right since.

When you forget the past, you're doomed to repeat it. And the IBF hasn't learned squat since then.

Now they may strip Usyk if he unifies with Fury, because Filip (Glazkov) Hrgovic and his 15 wins over nobodies is apparently more deserving than a fight between Fury and Usyk.

These orgs are made up of a bunch of dorks who desperately want people to think they "control" something, when all fans want are accurate ratings and for fighters to settle matters in the ring.

We want two champs fighting to settle matters, not a sanctioning body stripping them because Czar Hrgovic over here is waiting.

Fans don't want arbitrary RULES.

They don't want orgs to PRETEND the reigning world champ doesn't exist when 60,000 people are going to be watching him defend the World Heavyweight Title tomorrow.

Usyk shouldn't pay the IBF anymore either.

Let the IBF make Hrgovic another Glazkov or Martin.

Stop paying the orgs and they'll go away. They're only in it for the money. They aren't in it to produce truthful ratings representative of what's actually happening, that's for sure.

- - IBF knew by then Flubber was drug cheat of the worst kind.

U keep hanging wif Flubber and he gonna leave U hanging out wif all his dirty laundry.

[Dubblechin]

Fact check:

The Ring never stripped Fury of their belt and awarded it to Usyk. What actually happened was that Fury announced his retirement and vacated the Ring title himself. The Ring then announced that they would award their title to the winner of the upcoming rematch between Usyk and Joshua, who were their 2 highest ranked HW

When have the Ring EVER continued ranking a fighter and recognising him as champion AFTER he announced his retirement and vacated their belt?

Fury also told the WBC he had retired - allegedly - but the WBC, being a corrupt joke of an organisation, continued to recognise him as champion anyway, just in case he changed his mind. I'm going to be streaming Fury/Chisora, btw, I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens when Fury and Usyk meet face to face after the exhibition match with Del Boy is out of the way. Hopefully, the fight we all want to see will be announced in the ring, there and then.

The WBC asked Fury if he was really retired and he said no. That's why Fury is the WBC champ.

The difference between the WBC and the current Ring staff is the WBC folks are actually brighter than the clowns making decisions about the Ring ratings this year. Nobody thought Fury was actually retired. Basically, EVERYONE is brighter than the staff at Ring.

Fury was asked why he told the Ring he was retired when he wasn't, and he said, "So I can win the Ring title a third time." He was completing clowning Ring.

NO ONE thought Tyson Fury was retired for good. You could go on Tyson Fury's Instagram page and he was posting training videos and talking about which guy he was going to fight next the "whole time" when he was apparently retired. Usyk didn't even think Fury was retired. Usyk said so the day the Joshua rematch.

Does the staff at Ring have social media? Did they not see Fury training "the whole year" on his social media page and saying he was going to fight Chisora, and Charr, and giving Joshua deadlines to fight, and giving Usyk deadlines to fight, and then going back to Chisora again?

Because basically every other boxing fan did.

Every now and then Ring gets some real idiots running the show. This collection is among the biggest idiots who've ever held any position there.

Since Usyk took Joshua's belts, "the retired" Tyson Fury has made three WBC title defenses to Usyk's ONE defense. But Ring thought Fury was "retired?" Good Lord.

Looking at the two (Usyk and Fury) ... you'd think Usyk was the guy who had actually retired. Not Fury.

Usyk has adopted the "Gary Russell Jr One-Fight-A-Year Plan."

And if Fury can't get Usyk in the ring in the Spring, Fury will probably fight someone else BEFORE Usyk fights again.

Tyson Fury is the World Heavyweight Champion.

And the dolts at Ring will have to forever explain how they rated Tyson Fury the World Champion for one half of the year and Usyk the other half when Fury never lost to Usyk and even fought more times than Usyk that year.

Morons.

[Dubblechin]

The World Heavyweight Champ discussing his potential challengers.


https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/s...89242541842432

[kafkod]

The WBC asked Fury if he was really retired and he said no. That's why Fury is the WBC champ.

Fact check: "Tyson Fury confirms ‘official retirement’ in video call with WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman who is planning ‘special farewell event’ for heavyweight champion"

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...ight-champion/

Re Usyk only having one fight this year: https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...in-russia-war/

I'm out of this discussion now. There's no point trying to have a conversation with somebody who invents his own realities instead of dealing in facts.

[Dubblechin]

Fact check: "Tyson Fury confirms ‘official retirement’ in video call with WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman who is planning ‘special farewell event’ for heavyweight champion"

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...ight-champion/

Re Usyk only having one fight this year: https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...in-russia-war/

I'm out of this discussion now. There's no point trying to have a conversation with somebody who invents his own realities instead of dealing in facts.

First, Usyk had one fight in 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022. The war in Ukraine hasn't been going on since 2018.

Usyk has been a one-fight-a-year boxer since he moved up to heavyweight. FACT.

One fight in 2019 against Chazz Witherspoon. One fight in 2020 against Derek Chisora. One fight in 2021 against Joshua. One fight this year against Joshua. And he already said he isn't fighting until after Easter next year ... which means the earliest he's fighting is the summer 2023.


Second, Fury fulfilled his WBC mandatory defense against Whyte. He didn't have to fight again for another year ... April 2023. So he could say anything he wanted. FACT.

And all you had to do was watch his social media to see he was in camp the whole time waiting for the winner of Usyk-Joshua to happen.

(June)
"It's gonna cost if you want me to do a mission on this guy. This middleweight. And show you what a real heavyweight does to him. And that's going to be expensive. So you're going to have to have deep pockets. And we can talk then. The fight with has to happen first with Joshua and Usyk. Because if I was ready to fight tomorrow, they wouldn't be. This big mac is going to be in Morecambe training like a lunatic."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1536791744578310144

(July)
"The Boss" "I own those heavyweights ..."
https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/statu...95915805827073

(August 9th - two weeks before the Usyk-Joshua rematch)
In contract talks with Chisora - "You're running from the trilogy Derek. Get the contract signed."
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/s...87330928480257

(August 10th - Another video from training camp before Usyk-Joshua 2)
https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/statu...89273958834177

(August 11th) In contract talks with Chisora - Message to Derek Chisora asking for more money.
https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/statu...55945706184704

(August 15th) Training with Joseph Parker
https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/statu...07886441271297

(August 15th) More running with Parker
https://twitter.com/joeboxerparker/s...28177649352704

(August 16th) Tyson Fury in the gym training and showing how he'd destroy Usyk with Body Shots
https://twitter.com/ESPNRingside/sta...55700036403202

(August 19th) Tyson Fury insulting Chisora for wanting more money to fight for the title.
https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/statu...64247721693184

(August 20th) Training with Parker again.
https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/statu...14681992208386

(August 20th - watching Usyk-Joshua 2) "Get your checkbook out because the Gypsy King is here to stay forever!"
https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/statu...38327964860420

(Sept. 2) "Usyk, middleweight. You say you want the WBC Belt. Well it's held my Gypsies. You say you wanted to fight me after you beat the bodybuilder. You called me out on television. And now you're being a little *****. Hiding. Saying you've got injuries. You don't have injuries you had a sparring contest. Get out and fight in December. You let your mouth go. See if you can back it up, middleweight."
https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/statu...91698281418757

(Sept. 5) Fury offering Joshua a WBC title shot.
https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/statu...79738512842755

CLEARLY a guy with no interest in fighting again. (That's sarcasm.)



Third, the Ring was backtracking almost immediately. They jumped the gun. They admitted it.
https://www.ringtv.com/643954-tyson-...has-no-chance/

Did The Ring really believe that Fury would never return?

Don’t be silly!

There were three reasons why “The Gypsy King” had us on the hook.

First, as our rules state, if a champion officially retires, the title is declared vacant. Second, The Ring’s No. 1 and No. 2 heavyweight contenders, Oleksandr Usyk and Anthony Joshua, were set to fight. Third, Fury is unpredictable. The reigning WBC titleholder could have returned in two years or one week. As it turned out, it was the latter.

On August 20, southpaw wizard Usyk scored a repeat points triumph over Joshua at the Jeddah Superdome in Saudi Arabia. With Fury having relinquished his crown, Usyk made history by adding The Ring’s heavyweight title to the cruiserweight version he picked up in July 2018. However, around the time the Ukrainian star was having his gloves removed, Fury was already throwing down the gauntlet.

“I would annihilate both of them on the same night… ****ing ****,” was the cry from Twitterland. “Get your ****ing chequebook out because the Gypsy King is here to stay forever.”

Surprise!

The colossal switch-hitter from Manchester is now targeting undisputed honors and a third Ring championship. Was it sneaky? Yes, it bloody well was, but if the possibility of Fury winning yet another Ring belt leads to the first undisputed heavyweight champion since 1999 (Lennox Lewis), then that’s a small price to pay, right?



"Small price to pay?" "Around the time Usyk made history?" They were WILLFULLY IGNORANT. And embarrassed. Tyson was negotiating for a Chisora fight and posting videos about it leading up to Usyk-Joshua. But the RING blamed it on a RULE THEY Made up. (Well, we have this rule we made up and "AS OUR RULES STATE." And we know its only been a couple months since he fought his mandatory, but we're going to pretend he's not training and he isn't negotiating for another fight and we're just going to name Usyk-Joshua the new Ring champ.)

Muhammad Ali retired EVERY YEAR he held the title during his second reign. He retired after the Bugner defense. He retired after the Frazier defense. He retired after the Norton fight. He retired after the Shavers fight. And that was the notorious Ring staff that was involved in the 1977 US Boxing Championship Scandal. And even they weren't dumb enough to remove Ali as Ring Champ.

What's even more embarrassing is the RING staff STILL haven't added Fury back into their top 10 ratings.

Go look. Are they still denying he's back? Or do they not want to include him in their year-end ratings because it will look terrible if they list him as a contender at the end of the year during the same calendar year they had him as CHAMPION? They wrote that article FOUR months ago. And they still won't rate him.

Maybe if they leave him out of the ratings until next year, years from now, people will forget he was out of the ring less time than most heavyweights take off between bouts.

Fans looked to RING for their ratings. They don't want to hear this bull about "but our rules state." They're just another sanctioning org at this point. No better. Their ratings aren't representative of what's actually happening in the division.

The people running Ring are weak. Seriously. Bad call on their part. And they just can't figure out a way to get around it.

It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure out Tyson Fury was coming back. All you had to do was pay attention. And they were the only people who didn't get it.