Fury and IBF

[just the facts]

Extortion plain and simple.

[Dubblechin]

The WBC don't rank the IBF, WBO, WBA and Ring Magazine World Heavyweight champion. None of the alphabet organisations rank fighters who hold titles with other organisations.

I'm aware of boxing politics. I've been following boxing since the 1970s. The orgs will list the champion of another org if he also holds their belt. My point is about the IBF and Fury. Fury was their champ. They arbitrarily stripped him 10 days after he won the World Title for rules they invented themselves ... and I understand him saying he'll never pay for the IBF a sanctioning fee ever again.

And since the IBF dropped Fury, the IBF has basically had a laundry list of titlists, none of whom was the World Champion. They had the World Champion, then they dropped him after 10 days because they felt Czar Glazkov was more important than the new World Champ Tyson Fury and Wlad Klitschko (who had been their champ for 10 years and made 18 or 19 defenses) ... and they are still feeling the repurcussions of that.

It was a dumb move ... and one Fury certainly hasn't forgotten.

And forget Ring. They don't even acknowledge Fury is a current heavyweight ... even though 60,000 people are going to watch him fight tomorrow. Total idiots.

Somehow they managed to strip the most active heavyweight on the planet and the World Champion of their "belt" while he was in training camp and looking for his next opponent.

The WBC is smarter than Ring at this point.

[kafkod]

I'm aware of boxing politics. I've been following boxing since the 1970s. The orgs will list the champion of another org if he also holds their belt. My point is about the IBF and Fury. Fury was their champ. They arbitrarily stripped him 10 days after he won the World Title for rules they invented themselves ... and I understand him saying he'll never pay for the IBF a sanctioning fee ever again.

And since the IBF dropped Fury, the IBF has basically had a laundry list of titlists, none of whom was the World Champion. They had the World Champion, then they dropped him after 10 days because they felt Czar Glazkov was more important than the new World Champ Tyson Fury and Wlad Klitschko (who had been their champ for 10 years and made 18 or 19 defenses) ... and they are still feeling the repurcussions of that.

It was a dumb move ... and one Fury certainly hasn't forgotten.

And forget Ring. They don't even acknowledge Fury is a current heavyweight ... even though 60,000 people are going to watch him fight tomorrow. Total idiots.

Somehow they managed to strip the most active heavyweight on the planet and the World Champion of their "belt" while he was in training camp and looking for his next opponent.

The WBC is smarter than Ring at this point.

You're not making any sense now. Fury wouldn't have defended the IBF belt even if they hadn't stripped him and he hasn't been anywhere near as active since then as AJ, who ended up with the IBF belt after Fury retired for 2 years..

The IBF at least apply their rules fairly and transparently. The WBC are the most corrupt and the least credible of all the alphabet orgs. Nobody We Be Crooks would have allowed a protected, mandatory ducking, cherry picking paper champion like Wilder to hang on to HW belt for as long as he did.

[Dubblechin]

You're not making any sense now. Fury wouldn't have defended the IBF belt even if they hadn't stripped him and he hasn't been anywhere near as active since then as AJ, who ended up with the IBF belt after Fury retired for 2 years..

The IBF at least apply their rules fairly and transparently. The WBC are the most corrupt and the least credible of all the alphabet orgs. Nobody We Be Crooks would have allowed a protected, mandatory ducking, cherry picking paper champion like Wilder to hang on to HW belt for as long as he did.

You can't make your first title defense 10 DAYS AFTER YOU WIN THE TITLE.

The IBF stripped Fury 10 days after winning the belt from Wlad Klitschko because they thought Czar Glazkov was more deserving of a title fight than the reigning World Champ Fury and Wlad, who had held their belt for 10 years and made 19 title defense.

That ridiculousness (stripping a champ 10 days after he wins the belt) doesn't get glossed over because Fury ultimately melted down. And the IBF hasn't been right since.

When you forget the past, you're doomed to repeat it. And the IBF hasn't learned squat since then.

Now they may strip Usyk if he unifies with Fury, because Filip (Glazkov) Hrgovic and his 15 wins over nobodies is apparently more deserving than a fight between Fury and Usyk.

These orgs are made up of a bunch of dorks who desperately want people to think they "control" something, when all fans want are accurate ratings and for fighters to settle matters in the ring.

We want two champs fighting to settle matters, not a sanctioning body stripping them because Czar Hrgovic over here is waiting.

Fans don't want arbitrary RULES.

They don't want orgs to PRETEND the reigning world champ doesn't exist when 60,000 people are going to be watching him defend the World Heavyweight Title tomorrow.

Usyk shouldn't pay the IBF anymore either.

Let the IBF make Hrgovic another Glazkov or Martin.

Stop paying the orgs and they'll go away. They're only in it for the money. They aren't in it to produce truthful ratings representative of what's actually happening, that's for sure.

[Dubblechin]

And since Usyk won the IBF belt from Joshua, Usyk has fought once (the Joshua rematch).while Fury (as of tomorrow) will have fought THREE TIMES in the same timeframe (Wilder III, Whyte and Chisora III).

Yet, somehow, RING dropped Fury as champ because they thought he was "retired?" It was like they were the only humans on the planet not in on the joke. Fury posted videos the whole time of his training. He posted videos the whole time of the opponents he was trying to sign to fight next.

And yet Ring insisted "I think he's retired." Morons.

Another group (Ring) whose only job is to provide accurate ratings. That's all fans want from them. And they can't even do that.

If they have to pretend Tyson Fury isn't defending the Heavyweight Title tomorrow, what use are they?

[paulf]

Every time a fighter says they're going to do that, they end up not doing it.

[Dubblechin]

Every time a fighter says they're going to do that, they end up not doing it.

Lots of fighters haven't paid sanctioning fees. Naseem Hamed unified against the IBF champ and didn't pay. He unifed against the WBC champ and didn't pay. He signed to unify against the WBA champ and the WBA stripped their champ because they knew Hamed would likely beat him and not pay them.

Carlos Baldomir won the WBC, WBA and IBF welterweight titles off Zab Judah and only paid the WBC, so the other belts went vacant.

When De La Hoya was promoted by Arum, Oscar refused to pay the sanctioning fees so Arum paid them for him out of his end because Arum thought they had value or simply didn't want to damage his relationship with the orgs and his other fighters.

HBO spent years trying to get fighters not to pay the orgs ... because the orgs often blocked fights HBO was trying to make.

[kafkod]

You can't make your first title defense 10 DAYS AFTER YOU WIN THE TITLE.

The IBF stripped Fury 10 days after winning the belt from Wlad Klitschko because they thought Czar Glazkov was more deserving of a title fight than the reigning World Champ Fury and Wlad, who had held their belt for 10 years and made 19 title defense.

That ridiculousness (stripping a champ 10 days after he wins the belt) doesn't get glossed over because Fury ultimately melted down. And the IBF hasn't been right since.

When you forget the past, you're doomed to repeat it. And the IBF hasn't learned squat since then.

Now they may strip Usyk if he unifies with Fury, because Filip (Glazkov) Hrgovic and his 15 wins over nobodies is apparently more deserving than a fight between Fury and Usyk.

These orgs are made up of a bunch of dorks who desperately want people to think they "control" something, when all fans want are accurate ratings and for fighters to settle matters in the ring.

We want two champs fighting to settle matters, not a sanctioning body stripping them because Czar Hrgovic over here is waiting.

Fans don't want arbitrary RULES.

They don't want orgs to PRETEND the reigning world champ doesn't exist when 60,000 people are going to be watching him defend the World Heavyweight Title tomorrow.

Usyk shouldn't pay the IBF anymore either.

Let the IBF make Hrgovic another Glazkov or Martin.

Stop paying the orgs and they'll go away. They're only in it for the money. They aren't in it to produce truthful ratings representative of what's actually happening, that's for sure.

Nobody is pretending the reigning world champion doesn't exist. There is no universally recognised world HW champ at the moment. That's why the winner of tomorrow's WBC title fight needs to fight Usyk next. If it's Fury, then It doesn't matter whether he fights for the IBF title or not, as long as he fights Usyk.

[Dubblechin]

Nobody is pretending the reigning world champion doesn't exist. There is no universally recognised world HW champ at the moment. That's why the winner of tomorrow's WBC title fight needs to fight Usyk next. If it's Fury, then It doesn't matter whether he fights for the IBF title or not, as long as he fights Usyk.

Tyson Fury is the heavyweight champion. All the belts Usyk has were Fury's and Fury never lost them in the ring.

Fury is also defending three times as often as Usyk. He's already talking about fighting in the spring. One-fight-a-year Usyk won't fight until next summer.

What's Usyk's claim to the title exactly? That Ring Magazine can't take a joke?

[kafkod]

Tyson Fury is the heavyweight champion. All the belts Usyk has were Fury's and Fury never lost them in the ring.

Fury is also defending three times as often as Usyk. He's already talking about fighting in the spring. One-fight-a-year Usyk won't fight until next summer.

What's Usyk's claim to the title exactly? That Ring Magazine can't take a joke?

Usyk won those belts fair and square, the same way Fury did - fighting as the underdog in the champion's backyard. And Usyk never lost them in the ring either. He also won the Ring belt, which Fury once said was the only belt that really mattered.

Your reasoning is all over the place here. If you're saying that Usyk holding 4 belts doesn't give him any claim to be the champ, then you can't also be saying that Fury is the real champ because he used to hold the same 4 belts before Usyk. That just doesn't make sense.

We'll know who the real world heavyweight champion is after the winner of Fury/Chisora fights Usyk. Who had the most fights last year is irrelevant.