Comments Thread For: Crawford: I Really Don't Think It'll Damage My Legacy If Spence Fight Doesn't Happen

[Roadblock]

Just a thought but maybe Haymon didn't want to put Spence up against a fighter the calibre of Bub.
It will be pretty much a 50/50 fight and which promoters allows their fighter those odds to lose all their belts plus lose an 0.
Maybe Haymon didn't have the money at this time off year to guarantee Bub his money.
I do believe this fight will get made second quarter next yr. With Haymon throwing in a re-match or options on Bub in the contract.
Hes not going to let Bud win the fight then go his own way.
Theirs alot off sticky points to this fight cause Bud is such a good fighter and can de-rail Haymon cash cow atm.

But there is no evidence of that, its just a narrative that fans hold onto, if you look at both sides of what has come out it appears that Bud didn't want the fight and he was the one to leave the table for so much less reward, and then comes out with only his word and not a single piece of hard proof.

[Roadblock]

There was talks back then but nothing concrete. Plus Aaron got into drugs and that was it.

True I remember a few whispers but nothing got off the ground, drugs and the weight classes bad timing etc just turned it into nothing but a murmur, it was just a weird thing for Bud to say, it was like he was just name dropping legends.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

What I can't believe is that so many are ****ting on Crawford, knowing that PBC has been damaging the sport for years. I hear real disdain for a guy who has won his last five fights via stoppage, is exciting to watch and ranked p4p number 1.

Crawford has always seemed like a straight up guy, a decent human. Now he apparently has made up a massive lie about investors, he is ducking, he is ruining his legacy, etc. And apparently now Haymon is awesome, everyone hates him because he is a successful black guy (even though many our favorite fighters are black), while Crawford is a real piece of crap.

I swear I didn't even know Crawford had haters until this. It all seems strange.

Meanwhile we all know promoters are destroying the sport....but in this case, Crawford is coward because he wanted a guarantee. And any fighter who represent themselves is a moron because they onviously don't know anything at all.

Pretty incredible.

[Roadblock]

What I can't believe is that so many are ****ting on Crawford, knowing that PBC has been damaging the sport for years. I hear real disdain for a guy who has won his last five fights via stoppage, is exciting to watch and ranked p4p number 1.

Crawford has always seemed like a straight up guy, a decent human. Now he apparently has made up a massive lie about investors, he is ducking, he is ruining his legacy, etc. And apparently now Haymon is awesome, everyone hates him because he is a successful black guy (even though many our favorite fighters are black), while Crawford is a real piece of crap.

I swear I didn't even know Crawford had haters until this. It all seems strange.

Meanwhile we all know promoters are destroying the sport....but in this case, Crawford is coward because he wanted a guarantee. And any fighter who represent themselves is a moron because they onviously don't know anything at all.

Pretty incredible.

You are taking Bud at his word and ignoring every bit of evidence that says differently, the contradictions in Buds story you sweep under the carpet like they are not said.

What I find incredible is what you are holding onto that cannot be disputed its like you believe a sales pitch that has nothing to back it up, Bud is trying his hardest to make the public believe him yet refuses to put out any proof like the contract or hedge fund that would prove his side instantly.

[4truth]

This fight will have no effect on Crawford's legacy, True.

Crawford, if he cares about his legacy, does need a legacy fight or 2 or 3.

So does Spence though.

[Roadblock]

This fight will have no effect on Crawford's legacy, True.

Crawford, if he cares about his legacy, does need a legacy fight or 2 or 3.

So does Spence though.

It was for undisputed at WW how can that not have an effect on legacy if he doesn't do that in the future or ever get an opportunity again, we don't know what the future holds but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush so they say.

[Verus]

I can agree with this somewhat. But if we are being honest, we have entered a new era in boxing. One where promoters protect their fighters even at the highest levels. Fighters are not the same as they were 20 years ago, where legacy means as much.

The argument can be made that Crawford fought and won his belts in a weak era for the sport. Spence had the exact same issue though. There just aren't a bunch of all timers in the sport right now. I personally think Crawford is a far better fighter skill wise. Spence is freakish athletically, but he is very basic and isn't exciting.

I have always thought Spence needed Bud more than Bud needs him. I see a stoppage win for Bud and after the fact everyone will say Spence only fought PBC guys and the win will seem less impressive than we all think.

I'd love to see the fight, but Haymon does not want Bud hurting his investment. PBC has defined the "never take a risk" era of the sport. And Bud is 35, he has a few years of prime left. He should be fighting for the money at this point, he isn't a 23 year old prospect or something.

People that can't see what PBC is doing aren't paying attention. The sport is dying.

I agree with your assessment, but that is all the more reason to dismiss any talk from the good fighter of this era about legacy. They will not have a legacy and you have nailed the reasons they won't.

[4truth]

It was for undisputed at WW how can that not have an effect on legacy if he doesn't do that in the future or ever get an opportunity again, we don't know what the future holds but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush so they say.

What bird in the hand is that? I have yet to see anything suggesting that PBC was doing anything but going through the motions without any intentions of making the fight happen.

Crawford needed a fight, now he has one. After that maybe he can get an Ortiz fight or a meaningful fight at 154. I don't see Spence fighting Crawford till Crawford starts to fade. Obviously you feel differently but that is how I feel and I'm not the only one.

[Verus]

Let's examine Bud Crawford's resume, shall we?

38-0, 29 KOs
Won world titles in 3 divisions
1st 4-belt undisputed champion at 140 in history
16-0 in world title bouts

All that says 1st ballot Hall of Famer without Errol Spence....and that's coming from a long time IBHOF voter.

Bud is an exceptional fighter and few can question that. However, there are a lot of great fighters in the hall of fame, but having a legacy and being remembered by future generations is another matter. Who remembers Kid Gavilan, Tony Zale, Carmen Basilio, and a host of others? These were all great fighters but are now mostly forgotten except by the most die-hard fans.

[lopetego]

Terrence Duckford is a disgrace to boxing and the phoniest ¨P4P#1¨ there's ever been, and shameless to boot

He'll never fight Spence, Boots, Ennis, or anyone who can pose a risk

it's clear he's happy walking the path of least resistance against nothing but no hopers, for the rest of his underwhelming career

be prepared for Crawford-Khan II, or Crawford-Butaev after he's finished with Avanesyan