Steven Nelson: Vergil Ortiz turned down Crawford fight for Dec 10.

**Smash** · 10-26-2022, 02:29 PM

how many guys was he in talks with..... must be some kind of world record going on here

**4truth** · 10-26-2022, 02:31 PM

Crawford is nobody's preferred opponent. Spence is no pushover but he doesn't bring the same shock and awe.

**paulf** · 10-26-2022, 02:38 PM

If Spence is sticking to refusing to fight Thurman, we'll likely see Thurman-Ennis for the vacant belt. Crawford gave up his opportunity.

**Combat Talk Radio** · 10-26-2022, 02:39 PM

Disappointed with "So Cold". It's his buddy, we get it. But come on. Crawford had David lined up - which means he was parallel negotiating - which means he didn't really want Spence. He was using Spence's name to negotiate elsewhere. That's bad faith negotiation.

As far as Virgil and Keef, chances are Keef priced himself out and Vergil didn't want to commit to BLK Prime.

**Combat Talk Radio** · 10-26-2022, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Smash

how many guys was he in talks with..... must be some kind of world record going on here

Consider:

If he took the time to talk to Keef - it means he REALLY didn't have any intention of fighting Spence because there was no reason to talk to Keef at all!

**4truth** · 10-26-2022, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Leicesterage

Consider:

If he took the time to talk to Keef - it means he REALLY didn't have any intention of fighting Spence because there was no reason to talk to Keef at all!

Anybody in talks with PBC, better be considering other options.

**hhh1200** · 10-26-2022, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by SplitSecond

Also mentions Keith Thurman turning down Crawford.

@32 mins.

Look above. Now, Ortiz didn't want to commit to Black Prime but he was just an opponent for one fight, his mandatory shot. I mean every excuse. This is the 2nd time he has been no 1 WBO ranked. His team doesn't think he is ready, strong but every basic fighter but a high upside like Ennis. Crawford goes in there and gives him a Felix Diaz-type beatdown. Then, what!

Why would they petition to fight Stanley for a Spence mandatory? Use some common sense for once. Why is Ennis positioned by his team for the IBF mandatory? Spence is viewed as the more winnable fight.

Boxing fans showing their rocks again as Bob would say.

**STREET CLEANER** · 10-26-2022, 04:15 PM

Apparently Bud was talking to many since he is a free agent and took the sweetest deal.

**QueensburyRules** · 10-26-2022, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Leicesterage

Disappointed with "So Cold". It's his buddy, we get it. But come on. Crawford had David lined up - which means he was parallel negotiating - which means he didn't really want Spence. He was using Spence's name to negotiate elsewhere. That's bad faith negotiation.

As far as Virgil and Keef, chances are Keef priced himself out and Vergil didn't want to commit to BLK Prime.

- - Nobody will end up committing to BLK except jail bait loosers like Boner All About Broke. Good for Craw to commit to a fight with Ave since he seems to be bankrolling them, the new Haymon wannabees.

Well, good luck with that. 50 went broke promoting boxing.

Steven Nelson: Vergil Ortiz turned down Crawford fight for Dec 10.