Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder Weighs In 23-Plus Pounds Lighter For Helenius Than For 3rd Fury Fight

[Ruddock_Buttock]

Not really a cherry pick as Helenius won an eliminator in the 2nd Kownacki fight & is now in WBC top 4. It is the other semi final eliminator after Ruiz beat Ortiz. Helenius could have fought in a WBA eliminator but declined as he is getting a 7 digit paycheck fighting Wilder. Helenius had options. This wasn’t some fight out of nowhere. He was the Groups ranked guy fighting the Home ranked. Ruiz Forum beat Ortiz #3…

How much exactly is Helenius getting for this fight?

Thanks.

[joe strong]

How much exactly is Helenius getting for this fight?

Thanks.

Not sure but read yesterday he’s getting 7 digits…

[BigDramaShow!]

Wilder should drop down to cruiserweight.

[chepboxingking]

He's a tall lanky man but he's still massive. His chicken legs make him look smaller than he is but he's still massive. Saying he's in a smaller league than the rest of the division is bs.

Bro, saying that he’s smaller is not an opinion, it’s literally a fact lol. Can’t be argued. HW don’t have to cut weight, yet he constantly weight in around 215-225 range. This dude could EASILY make cruiserweight.

[chepboxingking]

No.

Most cruiser-weights are classical physique styled Heavyweights, weight draining themselves to make the 200 pound limit.

Deontay Wilder is a heavyweight.

The Heavyweight division is a open class division, understand that. The fighters are not all going to be the same weight, or in the same weight range.

I don't really think boxing fans, should be promoting the toxic culture of weight draining. I know you are not out to do that, but? By suggesting that Wilder is a cruiser weight, you are in some ways promoting the idea that he should weight drain himself to make cruiser weight limit.

Due to the modern phenomenon of this Weight draining culture, some boxing fans now think? It is a mandatory that all fighters must employ the same toxic methodologies.

Bro, what the fook did I just read? Lol. 99% of fighters weight drain themselves. Did you see Haney yesterday? Ever seen Hurd make 154? Charlo? Spence is huge for 147, yet still makes weight. The list goes on and on.

and btw, I wasn’t suggesting wilder do anything. He’s obviously doing great doing what he’s currently doing. I was just stating that he’s a smaller HW.

[bullydean]

Bro, saying that he’s smaller is not an opinion, it’s literally a fact lol. Can’t be argued. HW don’t have to cut weight, yet he constantly weight in around 215-225 range. This dude could EASILY make cruiserweight.

Wilder doesn't cut weight lol

That's his optimal body weight. Saying Wilder is at a disadvantage or in a smaller league is not a fact. He is massive and a heavyweight. Those extra 20 to 40 lbs the other guys carry make no difference when they're shorter and stubbier than Wilder.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Bro, what the fook did I just read? Lol. 99% of fighters weight drain themselves. Did you see Haney yesterday? Ever seen Hurd make 154? Charlo? Spence is huge for 147, yet still makes weight. The list goes on and on.

and btw, I wasn’t suggesting wilder do anything. He’s obviously doing great doing what he’s currently doing. I was just stating that he’s a smaller HW.

I am aware that fighters in the lower weight divisions, weight drain themselves. At-least a large majority of them. But not all fighters do big weight cuts.

Carl Froch, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather Junior. Have all been fighters who never weight drained themselves to the extreme's. And they have all benefited from this training lifestyle. They where able to maintain their condition and fitness into the latter part of their careers, without a distinct dramatic decrease.

Because over the long term, the constantly weight draining techniques have negatives effects on a fighters overall fitness and condition. Fighters just seemingly dramatically drop off in performance levels 'I have actually theorize that Canelo Alvarez is actually starting to suffer now, due to his tactics of implementing big weight cuts'.

The Weight Draining culture in the lower weight divisions, is toxic. It is a modern phenomenon, that has been influenced by the 'Day before weigh in rule'. Going back in history, it never existed 'Fighters in the lower weight classes were not dropping 15-20 pounds before weigh in, and then regaining that weight back on the same day'.

Under the same day weigh in rules, fighters could not really employ big weight cuts. I have been over this before, in other topics.

The current weight draining culture you see today, is a modern phenomenon that ruins the competition in the lower weight divisions. There is not a year or month that goes by, were a fighter uses 'Making the weight, or struggling to make the weight as a excuse'. And these fighters are usually bigger fighters, who are now struggling to do weight cuts 'Struggling to be the big man'.

Teofimo Lopez, Liam Williams, these are just two fighters who claimed 'Making the weight was one of the reason why they did not perform how they wanted in their most recent big fights'.

I honestly don't think weight draining should not be promoted. And that is exactly what you was doing unintentionally, by insinuating that Wilder was a cruiser weight. He is not a cruiser weight, he is a classical physiques styled Heavyweight.

I know you was not intentionally suggesting Wilder should weight drain himself. Boxing fans have become so familiar with fighters weight draining themselves, that they think it is a mandate for the fighters in the lower weight classes.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Wilder doesn't cut weight lol

That's his optimal body weight. Saying Wilder is at a disadvantage or in a smaller league is not a fact. He is massive and a heavyweight. Those extra 20 to 40 lbs the other guys carry make no difference when they're shorter and stubbier than Wilder.

Wilder tried to play the mass game, and all it did was negatively effect his mechanics. I don't even think he improved his power. But the one area which he did improve, was his brute strength. But as you know? A boxing fight is more than just brute strength.

I think when Wilder fought Fury for the third time? The jump to 238 pounds, was too big of a jump. For his body to become accustomed to the weight 'He probably needed 1 fight to acclimatize to the weight'.

But still his tactical changes did make for a more competitive 3rd fight.

I like it when Heavyweights embrace their own traits, and are not duped by these super heavyweights who? May be big, but 90% of them are not solid at the weight.

If Fury was solid at the weight, he would be 240-250 pounds. But that is just it? Even Fury is embracing his own strengths, and training comfortably. Before the second Wilder fight, he mentioned to Gareth A Davies, that he had altered his training.

That for me, is what makes the Heavyweight division as a open class division 'The purist form of competition in the sport'.

[bullydean]

Wilder tried to play the mass game, and all it did was negatively effect his mechanics. I don't even think he improved his power. But the one area which he did improve, was his brute strength. But as you know? A boxing fight is more than just brute strength.

I think when Wilder fought Fury for the third time? The jump to 238 pounds, was too big of a jump. For his body to become accustomed to the weight 'He probably needed 1 fight to acclimatize to the weight'.

But still his tactical changes did make for a more competitive 3rd fight.

I like it when Heavyweights embrace their own traits, and are not duped by these super heavyweights who? May be big, but 90% of them are not solid at the weight.

If Fury was solid at the weight, he would be 240-250 pounds. But that is just it? Even Fury is embracing his own strengths, and training comfortably. Before the second Wilder fight, he mentioned to Gareth A Davies, that he had altered his training.

That for me, is what makes the Heavyweight division as a open class division 'The purist form of competition in the sport'.

Exactly

[Apollo7]

Not really because they're all big guys. Wilder's height makes up for his weight. Usyk is fighting bigger men.

There's a reason there are weight divisions instead of height divisions.