Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder Weighs In 23-Plus Pounds Lighter For Helenius Than For 3rd Fury Fight

[bullydean]

There's a reason there are weight divisions instead of height divisions.

And there's a reason why there's nothing higher than heavyweight. Heavyweight is the end of the road because weight stops being a distinguishing factor after 200 lbs.

Wilder at 6'7" 220lbs is not smaller than a 6'6" 240-260lb Whyte. Their bodies are just different. Wilder being lanky and Whyte being wider.

[Apollo7]

And there's a reason why there's nothing higher than heavyweight. Heavyweight is the end of the road because weight stops being a distinguishing factor after 200 lbs.

Wilder at 6'7" 220lbs is not smaller than a 6'6" 240-260lb Whyte. Their bodies are just different. Wilder being lanky and Whyte being wider.

Weight is always a distinguishing factor and size is measured by mass not height. A giraffe is not bigger than an elephant.

[bullydean]

Weight is always a distinguishing factor and size is measured by mass not height. A giraffe is not bigger than an elephant.

Weight is irrelevant in the heavyweight division. That's why a 270lb Fury doesn't hit nearly as hard as a 220-240lb Wilder Foreman Tyson etc.

Once you're at heavyweight there's no noticable advantage or disadvantage caused by weight.

[Apollo7]

Weight is irrelevant in the heavyweight division. That's why a 270lb Fury doesn't hit nearly as hard as a 220-240lb Wilder Foreman Tyson etc.

Once you're at heavyweight there's no noticable advantage or disadvantage caused by weight.

Don't they say power = mass x velocity though?

People seem to think Fury's size is part if the reason he was able to survive the knockdowns against Wilder. Would Joyce be able to take the shots he takes if he was built like Wilder?

Fury was able to bully Wilder because he is a lot heavier than him.

[bullydean]

Don't they say power = mass x velocity though?

People seem to think Fury's size is part if the reason he was able to survive the knockdowns against Wilder. Would Joyce be able to take the shots he takes if he was built like Wilder?

Fury was able to bully Wilder because he is a lot heavier than him.

You're proving my point that weight is irrelevant.

Fury bullied Wilder because he had the skill and knowledge. Almost everyone Wilder has fought has been heavier than him yet they couldn't bully him. They also don't have more power than him or other hard hitting heavyweights from the past.

If a boxers power was simply mass x velocity everyone in the heavyweight division should have more power than Wilder yet they don't.
In heavyweight boxing weight is irrelevant.

[Apollo7]

You're proving my point that weight is irrelevant.

Fury bullied Wilder because he had the skill and knowledge.

And the mass. He wouldn't have been able to physically bully and push him back if he didn't have that weight advantage.

Almost everyone Wilder has fought has been heavier than him yet they couldn't bully him.

That doesn't mean weight is irrelevant, it just means other attributes (skill etc) are also relevant, as is always the case in boxing.

They also don't have more power than him or other hard hitting heavyweights from the past.

Malignaggi didn't have more power than Naseem Hamed. That doesn't mean weight is irrelevant in the lower weight classes.

If a boxers power was simply mass x velocity everyone in the heavyweight division should have more power than Wilder yet they don't.

Because they don't have the velocity. It may not be as simple as mass x velocity but both the mass and the velocity contribute to the power.

In heavyweight boxing weight is irrelevant.

Guys like Lewis, Wlad and Fury have often very effectively used their weight to their advantage in fights by leaning on opponents and such. You can't do that if you don't have the weight.

Weight or mass contributes to power, how much damage you can take and strength in the clinch. That's all pretty relevant imo.

[bullydean]

And the mass. He wouldn't have been able to physically bully and push him back if he didn't have that weight advantage.



That doesn't mean weight is irrelevant, it just means other attributes (skill etc) are also relevant, as is always the case in boxing.



Malignaggi didn't have more power than Naseem Hamed. That doesn't mean weight is irrelevant in the lower weight classes.




Because they don't have the velocity. It may not be as simple as mass x velocity but both the mass and the velocity contribute to the power.




Guys like Lewis, Wlad and Fury have often very effectively used their weight to their advantage in fights by leaning on opponents and such. You can't do that if you don't have the weight.

Weight or mass contributes to power, how much damage you can take and strength in the clinch. That's all pretty relevant imo.

You're proving my point. Only a select few heavyweights have used their size to their advantage because they had the SKILL and KNOWLEDGE to use it.

The weight didn't inherently give them an advantage if it did Wilder would have been ragdolled by everyone besides Fury.

And the velocity of Wilder's punch would also be irrelevant if weight gave the heavier people more resistance to his punches.

Skill and knowledge is the only factor that matters in the heavyweight division.
Wilder is not at a disadvantage for weighing less.