PED's

[Brother Mouzone]

IMHO there are 2 groups of elite athletes , those that use PEDs and have got caught and those that use PEDs and have not been caught. IDC to TBH taking PEDs will not make you a great athlete , most take PEDs to deal with injuries . Bonds was a HOF before the PEDs notice how no one talks about the guys juicing who remained average .

[Offensive Wizardry]

peds certainly make some better but u have to have a level playing field and its dangerous too, there will always be top guys, just clean top guys if they test right all the time as they should do

the fact that peds are illegal (some, some peds are now deemed legal by sports leagues) is what is making it an unfair playing field. if peds are legalized (all of them) that is when the playing field becomes level.

right now,

its uneven because only people who are willing to risk it all to gain fame and glory get the benefits. the rest are too scared because they may get punished and ostracized so only a small handful get the advantage while the rest of the field is at a disadvantage.

people cant see past their false moral high ground to see the basic common sense and logic in this.

if regular folks can go to their doctor and get prescribed drugs so they can feel better, perform better and nobody bats an eye, why would you feel any different when it comes to sports where peds is THE MOST NEEDED?

[Smash]

tif peds are legalized (all of them) that is when the playing field becomes level.



only a small handful get the advantage while the rest of the field is at a disadvantage.

yes i guess u have a level playing field if all are legal, would that not create a situation where it comes down to quantity then and some willing to take huge risks to become a hulk like character to win, cant see how that would go down well, noone would fight that top roided hulk who has probably compromised their heart or liver or whatever to get there

the truth is we have no stats on % that are doing peds, it could be a small group or it could be 50% or more & all sorts of various quan****** and substances

edit: lol at the ********

[Toffee]

Just stop drug testing and let people take whatever they want. They are doing it anyways.


Most people dont even understand what is happening. First if you remember balco and Mosley, those guys never failed a single test, they only saw their names on the books after they raided balco headquarters.


If you look at recent example with Benn, you realize they didnt actually pop him for steroids (the actual Performance enhancer), he got caught with the estrogen blocker you take at the tale end of the cycle. So whatever testing was done if any during the training camp... he passed all of those while he was taking the actual steroids. He only got caught on the very end. Its like driving 100 miles speeding the whole time and only getting pulled over the final mile, you almost got away with it.



So this whole who failed a test and who passed the test is pointless meaningless argument, they are all on PEDs and 99% of the time they pass the testing.

That's the big issue for me. No-one is getting caught juicing (well, Jarrell Miller maybe but he was either dumb or looking for a way out).

We're catching people on technicalities. Why are we not actually catching them juicing?

The testing seems to be so flawed as to be worthless.

[Roadblock]

Just stop drug testing and let people take whatever they want. They are doing it anyways.


Most people dont even understand what is happening. First if you remember balco and Mosley, those guys never failed a single test, they only saw their names on the books after they raided balco headquarters.


If you look at recent example with Benn, you realize they didnt actually pop him for steroids (the actual Performance enhancer), he got caught with the estrogen blocker you take at the tale end of the cycle. So whatever testing was done if any during the training camp... he passed all of those while he was taking the actual steroids. He only got caught on the very end. Its like driving 100 miles speeding the whole time and only getting pulled over the final mile, you almost got away with it.



So this whole who failed a test and who passed the test is pointless meaningless argument, they are all on PEDs and 99% of the time they pass the testing.

If anything goes drug wise then the power across the board goes up a lot, and when that happens the head injuries would skyrocket, the more aggressive and physical a fighter is naturally the more he will benefit from PEDS, boxing is very much a power hurt game.

I think the word PED is over-emphasised and to much blanket throwing and not being categorized on a scale, they are not all equal and a synthetic vitamin is by definition a performance-enhancing drug, on top of this the finger-pointing is out of control where a great athlete will get his career torn down because they cant be that good it has to be Peds and around it goes, every guy that is really good will be get labelled by the haters as using peds, we don't know for sure and that not knowing allows all the BS to run rampert.

Id like somebody to define exactly what is a PED and what is not a PED because they is a massive grey area where it goes from creating advanced health and fitness to creating superman.

[elfag]

If anything goes drug wise then the power across the board goes up a lot, and when that happens the head injuries would skyrocket, the more aggressive and physical a fighter is naturally the more he will benefit from PEDS, boxing is very much a power hurt game.

I think the word PED is over-emphasised and to much blanket throwing and not being categorized on a scale, they are not all equal and a synthetic vitamin is by definition a performance-enhancing drug, on top of this the finger-pointing is out of control where a great athlete will get his career torn down because they cant be that good it has to be Peds and around it goes, every guy that is really good will be get labelled by the haters as using peds, we don't know for sure and that not knowing allows all the BS to run rampert.

Id like somebody to define exactly what is a PED and what is not a PED because they is a massive grey area where it goes from creating advanced health and fitness to creating superman.

What makes you think head injuries sky rocket if they stop PED testing? You realize they are all on PEDs right now ?? The test are worthless.

[Roadblock]

What makes you think head injuries sky rocket if they stop PED testing? You realize they are all on PEDs right now ?? The test are worthless.

What evidence do you have they are all on Peds, what specific peds and who is all.

Any test is always beatable, but the testing can also sink your boat, so I see the majority being clean and the minority using peds, Im talking heavy-duty peds that enhance performance way above a slight improvement in conditioning.

I think ped use is exaggerated in sports, not saying there isn't a problem just think the Ped user label is used too flippantly in fandom.

[Toffee]

What evidence do you have they are all on Peds, what specific peds and who is all.

Any test is always beatable, but the testing can also sink your boat, so I see the majority being clean and the minority using peds, Im talking heavy-duty peds that enhance performance way above a slight improvement in conditioning.

I think ped use is exaggerated in sports, not saying there isn't a problem just think the Ped user label is used too flippantly in fandom.

That's exactly what the tests do. They separate ok peds from not ok peds. You can take plenty of stuff that is legal and becomes illegal at certain levels - for example caffeine. It's an arbitrarily drawn line but if you didn't have that, I'm confident all fighters would be on some kind of PEDs.

I think Benn v Eubank Jnr almost gives you the perfect approach. Guidelines in place, but have testing take place and let the fighters decide if it's a significant advantage or not. They already decide on weight, hydration and all other manner of advantages/disadvantages. Why not let them resolve issues of PEDs? Their teams are far better qualified to understand the significance of something in a fighter's system.

I don't know much about what Benn took, but I know Eubank's medical team looked at it and considered it to not be significant enough an advantage to cancel the fight.

[BodyBagz]

Boxing should control the usage.
Find out scientifically what adverse IN FIGHT affects drugs cause to an opponent.

If a cvnt still goes out of the sport, lifetime ban. No if's about it.
Drugs don't win fights.

[Roadblock]

That's exactly what the tests do. They separate ok peds from not ok peds. You can take plenty of stuff that is legal and becomes illegal at certain levels - for example caffeine. It's an arbitrarily drawn line but if you didn't have that, I'm confident all fighters would be on some kind of PEDs.

I think Benn v Eubank Jnr almost gives you the perfect approach. Guidelines in place, but have testing take place and let the fighters decide if it's a significant advantage or not. They already decide on weight, hydration and all other manner of advantages/disadvantages. Why not let them resolve issues of PEDs? Their teams are far better qualified to understand the significance of something in a fighter's system.

I don't know much about what Benn took, but I know Eubank's medical team looked at it and considered it to not be significant enough an advantage to cancel the fight.

Yes true, and there lays the problem with such a grey area, everybody could be said to be on peds par-se in some way or form, but only a few will be on banned peds, look at Manny with his Toradol use, not banned but a very strong ped effect in sport, its a case of we have no choice but to go along with the testing we have; its not perfect but its way better than nothing, although I do believe it is a strong deterrent across the board which is about all we can hope for.