Floyd vs Leonard 147

[elfag]

Still sour over Floyd EASILY beating your hero Manny I see. But in this instance, you’re correct. I seriously doubt Floyd could beat Leonard. Most telling factors are pretty equal but Ray’s a bit more powerful and considerably bigger. Leonard 8-4.

Floyd didnt even have to leave first gear for manny, frankly it was a sparring session. not even in floyd's top 5 hardest fights.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Floyds`s best weight is under 147.

Leonard is just much bigger man and he fought bigger guys.

[hhh1200]

I just don't see it with orthopedic gloves. Ray is not only as skilled but is a big welterweight like Ortiz Jr and Ennis. Don't see FMW surviving vs. guy. He'd get steamrolled by the 147 version o Hearns that fought Leonard. I can't see him beating either with orthopedic gloves.

[djtmal]

floyd is superior in nearly every way. Ray has an inch height, power and a larger frame. is that enough? i dont think so. I dont see floyd being outboxed, he is more accurate and has better defense and is faster. Floyd even has the reach advantage.

Floyd is all of that against slow flat footed over the hill fighters.

Saying Floyd is faster than Srl now that is definitely a stretch.

The best prime welterweight Floyd beat is still Ricky Hatton, and he was a transplanted welterweight.

[buddyr]

Benitez had a good defense, but nothing like Floyd's, different levels. I grew up watching Benitez and I never got the hype. He was always like a B+ level guy compared to what was on the field. When he was 35-0 he was fighting guys that were literally 4-4, when he was 30-0 he was fighting 8-9's. Name me his top 5 wins, hell, give me his top 3? Benitez is highly romanticized. You're really comparing Benitez to Floyd, silly!

I don't think Hearns decapitates Floyd in the slightest. He didn't even come close to decapitating Ray who's defense was a letter grade less than Floyds, real talk.

I agree, 147 wasn't his best, but I got refreshed today on both fighters and I stand behind what I said.

Floyd has every tool in the book and his timing is nothing like Ray has ever faced. When you fought Hearns, you knew the fan blades were coming at you, you don't know what Floyd is going to do. Floyds angles are crazy. Stab jab, pull counter, vertical punches, his right hand to the body, check hooks, guard checks the vertical straight right to the body, elbow defense hell, shell, etc. You got to admit Floyds angles are grand master level and not a soul was doing what he did back then. Give the guy his due credit.

Hearns didn't throw punches at the same angles and Hearns style is tailor made for Floyds defense. Go back and watch the first few rounds of Leond vs Hearns 1. Simple lateral movement really took the wind out of Tommy's sails.

Floyd beats Manny at any degree of physiology, Trampler knew it and that's why they smoke-screened him for years. If you want to go down that road I can punish you in brutal fashion, just keep me posted.

I don't rate Hagler that high tbh. I loved Hagler as a kid, great personality, excellent energy but his record has *'s all over it. Ray vs Hagler is very much akin to Floyd vs Manny.

Zab has some of the fastest hands in boxing history, what are you talking about? Additionally, Floyd dominated Judah: Glen Hamada 119-109 Dave Moretti 116-112 Jerry Roth 117-111. When Roth scores you 117, you know you dominated.



Nobody said that but you, stick to the script.

Zab judah without a doubt won the first 4 rounds INCLUDING a knockdown that was missed along with the 12th.. That 119 score was bull**** and you know that lol. As far as Zab's hands, Leonard was taller, faster, with more power. If floyd at 147 struggled with the power and jab of judah, what would he have done with Hearns and leonard??????

[hugh grant]

Still sour over Floyd EASILY beating your hero Manny I see. But in this instance, you’re correct. I seriously doubt Floyd could beat Leonard. Most telling factors are pretty equal but Ray’s a bit more powerful and considerably bigger. Leonard 8-4.

I'm not sour floyd getting a decision over pac, when world wasn't impressed with Floyd's performance, or wasn't in agreement with the result - im more sour no rematch. But wouldn't discount floyd getting points win over SRL in a world where gifts are given

[djtmal]

I'm not sour floyd getting a decision over pac, when world wasn't impressed with Floyd's performance, or wasn't in agreement with the result - im more sour no rematch. But wouldn't discount floyd getting points win over SRL in a world where gifts are given

I doubt if Floyd beats, the version of Sugar Ray Leonard that got dropped by Terry Norris.

[War Room]

Zab judah without a doubt won the first 4 rounds INCLUDING a knockdown that was missed along with the 12th.. That 119 score was bull**** and you know that lol. As far as Zab's hands, Leonard was taller, faster, with more power. If floyd at 147 struggled with the power and jab of judah, what would he have done with Hearns and leonard??????

I haven't seen the Judah fight since it happened, but I'll go rewatch the first 4 rounds just for you.

But like I said before, if Roth gave you 3 rounds, 95% chance you won 3 rounds.

At the end of the day, Judah had the fastest hands in the business at the time. There is no way to truly measure, they're both crazy fast. When Ray blasted flurries he was crazy fast, but just regular punching, Judah threw a lot faster. Go look for yourself and not pull from memory. Ok so Ray was 1.5" taller, so?

I told you what Floyd had to give Hearns and Ray big big problems. You're just one of these guys that thinks those guys are unbeatable for some reason. You can't say Ray or Hearns would 100% win intelligently because they never faced anyone like Floyd at that weight. Floyd was a great fighter in his prime with unique tools that would give anybody of any era major issues. All you need is a few tools to disrupt a great fighter and bend them to your will. If you don't understand that, YDKSAB, facts.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

SRL by a wide UD or late stoppage. Both great defensively but Leonard was far better offensively. He’s also a naturally bigger and stronger guy than Floyd.

[djtmal]

At the end of the day, Judah had the fastest hands in the business at the time. There is no way to truly measure, they're both crazy fast. When Ray blasted flurries he was crazy fast, but just regular punching, Judah threw a lot faster.

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Is this guy actually making a comparison between Zab Judah and Sugar Ray Leonard? Sugar Ray threw regular punches?

So exactly what pray tell, made Zab Judah's punches far more devastating than Sugar Ray Leonard's.

I got my popcorn waiting for this one