Floyd vs Leonard 147

[buddyr]

Both of these guys are in my top 5, huge fans of both and I just went back and watched some SRL so he's fresh in my thoughts.

Floyd never fought anybody as good as Ray and Ray never fought anybody as good as Floyd (as a total package) so it's extremely difficult to pick.

The guys that Ray looked great against fought totally different than Floyd did. Floyd defense would shrink what Ray could get away with so you can't think about how Ray beat Duran or Hearns because those are totally different fighters and Duran had pre-fight weight problems in the 2nd fight so even that wasn't the real Duran.

Although he had a killer offense and fought at a long range, Hearns would gas late which is how Ray beat him the first time. Ray was on his bike early and nulled Hearns early attacks, got him into deep waters and prevailed.

No matter how you cut it, Floyd is going to make Ray miss, now the question is can Ray adjust or does it just come down to being able to catch Floyd? Ray had a good body attack and could often catch you with a weird punch angle on a fade-away, but Floyd could easily catch him in the middle of something because he can slow time down.

These are two grandmasters at work, hard to see what can only happen through magic.

This would be a pickem at the bookies. I would give an edge to Ray because Ray was a natural welter and Floyd wasn't. Floyds best was at lower weights.

If I had to pick, at this moment in time I would say Mayweather 115-113 SD with a rematch to follow.

are you implying that Benitez wasn't a good defensive fighter????? Is this what you are saying?? And Hearns decapitates Mayweather at 147. Floyd is a great fighter, but 147 is not his best weight class. Things he did at 130 and 135 should not be considered what would happen at 147 against one of the greatest welterweights of all time. This makes no sense. Pac was a good win, but neither man were in their prime. This is like saying that because SRL was a great fighter at 147 and overall great fighter that he'd beat some of the greatest middleweight of all time based off of his fight with Hagler. No, Mayweather at his best is not beating no goddamn Leonard at 147. He couldn't deal with the speed of zab judah!!!! Then Judah tired out after the 4th.

[JakeTheBoxer]

15 rounds, the same day weight in? Lol, Floyd has like zero chance.

[Cypocryphy]

Haha! Sugar Ray Leonard of course! Hands DOWN! Leonard has better footwork than Floyd and hits harder than Floyd. Ray could press, could box, could infight, could do it all. And Leonard had one of the best chins in boxing. But we all know that if that fight were a possibility, Floyd would duck him.

[The D3vil]

Leonard too big too strong.

People forget, that Floyd was a guy who started out at 130 and moved his way up, feasting on guys who weren't real WWs or were past their primes.

Leonard literally fought as a natural WW in the greatest era of the WW division with other big, natural WWs like Hearns & Wilfred Benitiez, who were both over 5'10

Leonard was 5'10 himself, much bigger than Floyd, while being faster & a better athlete, and more powerful.

Floyd could survive, if he truly wanted, but he has not path to victory.

[War Room]

are you implying that Benitez wasn't a good defensive fighter????? Is this what you are saying?? And Hearns decapitates Mayweather at 147. Floyd is a great fighter, but 147 is not his best weight class. Things he did at 130 and 135 should not be considered what would happen at 147 against one of the greatest welterweights of all time. This makes no sense. Pac was a good win, but neither man were in their prime. This is like saying that because SRL was a great fighter at 147 and overall great fighter that he'd beat some of the greatest middleweight of all time based off of his fight with Hagler. No, Mayweather at his best is not beating no goddamn Leonard at 147. He couldn't deal with the speed of zab judah!!!! Then Judah tired out after the 4th.

Benitez had a good defense, but nothing like Floyd's, different levels. I grew up watching Benitez and I never got the hype. He was always like a B+ level guy compared to what was on the field. When he was 35-0 he was fighting guys that were literally 4-4, when he was 30-0 he was fighting 8-9's. Name me his top 5 wins, hell, give me his top 3? Benitez is highly romanticized. You're really comparing Benitez to Floyd, silly!

I don't think Hearns decapitates Floyd in the slightest. He didn't even come close to decapitating Ray who's defense was a letter grade less than Floyds, real talk.

I agree, 147 wasn't his best, but I got refreshed today on both fighters and I stand behind what I said.

Floyd has every tool in the book and his timing is nothing like Ray has ever faced. When you fought Hearns, you knew the fan blades were coming at you, you don't know what Floyd is going to do. Floyds angles are crazy. Stab jab, pull counter, vertical punches, his right hand to the body, check hooks, guard checks the vertical straight right to the body, elbow defense hell, shell, etc. You got to admit Floyds angles are grand master level and not a soul was doing what he did back then. Give the guy his due credit.

Hearns didn't throw punches at the same angles and Hearns style is tailor made for Floyds defense. Go back and watch the first few rounds of Leond vs Hearns 1. Simple lateral movement really took the wind out of Tommy's sails.

Floyd beats Manny at any degree of physiology, Trampler knew it and that's why they smoke-screened him for years. If you want to go down that road I can punish you in brutal fashion, just keep me posted.

I don't rate Hagler that high tbh. I loved Hagler as a kid, great personality, excellent energy but his record has *'s all over it. Ray vs Hagler is very much akin to Floyd vs Manny.

Zab has some of the fastest hands in boxing history, what are you talking about? Additionally, Floyd dominated Judah: Glen Hamada 119-109 Dave Moretti 116-112 Jerry Roth 117-111. When Roth scores you 117, you know you dominated.

15 rounds, the same day weight in? Lol, Floyd has like zero chance.

Nobody said that but you, stick to the script.

[just the facts]

Floyds never fought a ATG in his prime, let alone beat them. So its not realistic to take this thread too serious. But if it is serious thread, then youd have to go with a SRL win. I doubt SRL would win as easy as some think, but SRL would win. Floyd hasnt given us enough evidence to suggest otherwise.

Still sour over Floyd EASILY beating your hero Manny I see. But in this instance, you’re correct. I seriously doubt Floyd could beat Leonard. Most telling factors are pretty equal but Ray’s a bit more powerful and considerably bigger. Leonard 8-4.

[just the facts]

Benitez had a good defense, but nothing like Floyd's, different levels. I grew up watching Benitez and I never got the hype. He was always like a B+ level guy compared to what was on the field. When he was 35-0 he was fighting guys that were literally 4-4, when he was 30-0 he was fighting 8-9's. Name me his top 5 wins, hell, give me his top 3? Benitez is highly romanticized. You're really comparing Benitez to Floyd, silly!

I don't think Hearns decapitates Floyd in the slightest. He didn't even come close to decapitating Ray who's defense was a letter grade less than Floyds, real talk.

I agree, 147 wasn't his best, but I got refreshed today on both fighters and I stand behind what I said.

Floyd has every tool in the book and his timing is nothing like Ray has ever faced. When you fought Hearns, you knew the fan blades were coming at you, you don't know what Floyd is going to do. Floyds angles are crazy. Stab jab, pull counter, vertical punches, his right hand to the body, check hooks, guard checks the vertical straight right to the body, elbow defense hell, shell, etc. You got to admit Floyds angles are grand master level and not a soul was doing what he did back then. Give the guy his due credit.

Hearns didn't throw punches at the same angles and Hearns style is tailor made for Floyds defense. Go back and watch the first few rounds of Leond vs Hearns 1. Simple lateral movement really took the wind out of Tommy's sails.

Floyd beats Manny at any degree of physiology, Trampler knew it and that's why they smoke-screened him for years. If you want to go down that road I can punish you in brutal fashion, just keep me posted.

I don't rate Hagler that high tbh. I loved Hagler as a kid, great personality, excellent energy but his record has *'s all over it. Ray vs Hagler is very much akin to Floyd vs Manny.

Zab has some of the fastest hands in boxing history, what are you talking about? Additionally, Floyd dominated Judah: Glen Hamada 119-109 Dave Moretti 116-112 Jerry Roth 117-111. When Roth scores you 117, you know you dominated.



Nobody said that but you, stick to the script.

There’s literally not one true statement in this post. Typical War Room bu!!shyte.

[just the facts]

Leonturd already Whooped Floyd Mayweather. Beating his son would be even easier.

The real question is who would win between Hector Macho Camacho and Jose Luis Castillo. It doesn't matter how their leftovers would do against each other.

I see NSB has a new village idiot.

[The Devil Knows Boxing]

I see NSB has a new village idiot.

You are nobody. You don't speak to me unless you are spoken to, and when you do, you speak with the utmost respect that I command.

[elfag]

floyd is superior in nearly every way. Ray has an inch height, power and a larger frame. is that enough? i dont think so. I dont see floyd being outboxed, he is more accurate and has better defense and is faster. Floyd even has the reach advantage.