Comments Thread For: Wilder's Coach Does Not Rule Out Joshua Shocking Fury, Explains Why

[OldTerry]

It’s absolutely hysterical how Malik speaks facts about Joshua while Wilder continuously tries to diminish him and those two work daily together . It really shows just how hard it is to train someone like Wilder ,even in his recent videos it’s painfully obvious how much Malik is struggling to teach him basic stuff as though Wilder just walked in a gym off the street and that’s where Wilders downfall began years ago with his block head mentality as a know it all or I don’t care to know much attitude .

Wilder is certainly given to his own opinion, but I would pick him to beat AJ.

[PRINCEKOOL]

If AJ is as good as you claim then Fury shouldn't have a easy fight according to your logic?

You're obviously already coping because the fight isn't even signed yet and you're already crying saying Fury isn't good because he most likely won't win easily or quickly.

There has been no narrative Fury has just proven he's a tough nut to crack whether it's brawling or boxing. To say Fury will most likely win isn't a understatement regardless the rounds it takes to beat an opponent.

Also Fury demolished Whyte after the Wilder trilogy. Even though it took 6 rounds Fury easily beat him.

I have just told you, that I cannot make a detailed prediction yet. All I can do is speculate and analyse. The only people who for a long time, have made detailed and very blunt predictions regarding this fight are mostly hardcore Fury fans 'But now, people seem to be back tracking'.

With all the niceties and compliments towards Joshua. This is stage one of people's backsides going. That what that behavior represents.

When I make a prediction, for sure it will be backed with serious conviction. But right now regarding this fight, I am not at this stage in the evaluation.

If I cannot inversion or find a way for Joshua to win, I will say nothing. And just back Tyson Fury. But if theoretically, if there is genuine evidence that Joshua can win outside of just a punchers chance 'I will make a prediction with conviction'.

All of these posts by me now, people may think I am trying to debate with them 'I am not'. I put things out there, because I am systematically working through this match up. And when you and others quote me, you may actually spark another train of thought within me regarding the fight 'Furthering the analysis'.

Tyson Fury is the favorite, that is the starting point in this evaluation. People have been saying he is the greatest heavyweight of all-times head to head, his hardcore fans claim that he moves like a middle weight, and now suddenly has monster punching power 'The man can do it all'.

So what I am saying is? If Fury is all of that, Joshua should not win and round and definitely should not last the full 12 rounds.

Everyone's calm mate, I think most of Joshua's hardcore fans are calm 'They know where he is at in his career, he is now a contender'. Being real it is only really the backsides of Fury's hardcore fans that is not really calm. The backing tracking, and the niceties towards Joshua, it's not genuine and it is false.

[OldTerry]

Tyson Fury is big favorite. But? Fury vs Wilder III. Tyson Fury was making many mistakes and was all over the place. He cannot make those same mistakes vs Joshua without being ****** up. If Wilder could of just come straight down the middle with his punches at times, he may well of knocked Fury down even more or got him out of there etc.

Joshua hits with good power, and can vary his punches. But I expect Fury to know this, and therefore? A different type of Fury will turn up.

Wilder's aggression, and power with a decent Jab. Seemed to be enough to bridge the gap and negate Fury's apparently superior boxing skills. In the third fight Fury and Wilder did not look levels apart, they could both find each other and hit each other 'And they were both making plenty of forced and unforced errors'.

It was a great match up in terms of passion, competitiveness and aggression. But skill for skill, it was not a high level fight.

Usyk vs Joshua was a higher level fight skill for skill. That is what is intriguing, Joshua has just went 24 rounds with a super elite technical fighter. It has been a long time since Tyson Fury has fought at elite level skill for skill, you have to go back to the Wladimir Kiltschko fight.

Fury's not 248 pounds anymore, he is not training under Peter Fury 'Fury is no longer The Riddler'.

Still if Tyson Fury is as good as his hardcore fans make out? Joshua should not win a round, and definitely should not survive the full 12 rounds.

It will an interesting fight and will answer questions about both fighters. Wilder against Joshua or Usyk (or both) also needs to happen for the same reason.

[OldTerry]

Anyone can see clear as day Joshua’s aura has been gone since he got beat up by Andy Ruiz. The thing with Wilder is he throws bombs fast & from different angles. Joshua is pretty basic like Klitschko. I don’t think Joshua has anything in his tool box that Fury hasn’t seen. I have it 90/10 in favour of Fury. Joshua looks more & more like Frank Bruno every time I watch him fight. Fury is bigger, faster, has a better ring IQ & has a bigger heart. He is arrogant like Lennox Lewis so there is always the chance he overlooks Joshua but I think other than a puncher’s chance AJ doesn’t have the skills or mindset to beat Fury. This is HW boxing & one punch can end it so nothing is a sure thing. Michael Bentt & Buster Douglas proved that…

Good analysis, but Buster didn't beat Mike Tyson with one punch. Douglas out boxed Tyson and took him into deep waters before the knockout.

[joe strong]

Good analysis, but Buster didn't beat Mike Tyson with one punch. Douglas out boxed Tyson and took him into deep waters before the knockout.

Yes I know but I was just saying anything can happen in HW boxing & nothing is a sure thing. Nobody expected Douglas to win… 42-1 odds said that…

[TheOneAboveAll]

Everyone who is sane realises that Joshua has no chance other than a punchers chance , he's not going school Fury or out box him , please understand this!

AJ's chances depend entirely on the ones Fury gives him. If Fury goes back to the old shake'n'bake style he employed against Wlad, AJ has virtually no chance. AJ has demonstrated in two fights with Usyk that he cannot fight off rhythm. It forces him to think too much and that fatigues him. If Fury decides to go Grizzly Bear on him as he did in Wilder III, however, that could present AJ with some good opportunities. Fury is not unbeatable; especialy if he's not in top shape.

[juggernaut666]

Wilder is certainly given to his own opinion, but I would pick him to beat AJ.

This narrative will change fast if he gets knocked out his next fight ,it’s a fight he should win though but it’s a reminder he hasn’t fought top punchers ,you can say Helenius may be the hardest puncher he’s fought so far ?

[Roberto Vasquez]

AJ's chances depend entirely on the ones Fury gives him. If Fury goes back to the old shake'n'bake style he employed against Wlad, AJ has virtually no chance. AJ has demonstrated in two fights with Usyk that he cannot fight off rhythm. It forces him to think too much and that fatigues him. If Fury decides to go Grizzly Bear on him as he did in Wilder III, however, that could present AJ with some good opportunities. Fury is not unbeatable; especialy if he's not in top shape.

That herky jerky style was a bit of a myth. It worked partly because Wlad was scared to take chances. There was a reason Fury ducked the rematch - because he knew Wlad would have nothing to lose anymore.

Look at Fury against Whyte. Fury said he was a KO machine and then Whyte was pushing him back the whole fight. Fury got the job done so fair enough to him, but he was hardly a tank. And Fury has been down 4 times in his last 3 fights.

Fury seems scared to take this AJ fight after AJ agreed to his conditions straight out. Kind of typical Fury. Let's hope it happens

[PRINCEKOOL]

AJ's chances depend entirely on the ones Fury gives him. If Fury goes back to the old shake'n'bake style he employed against Wlad, AJ has virtually no chance. AJ has demonstrated in two fights with Usyk that he cannot fight off rhythm. It forces him to think too much and that fatigues him. If Fury decides to go Grizzly Bear on him as he did in Wilder III, however, that could present AJ with some good opportunities. Fury is not unbeatable; especialy if he's not in top shape.

Tyson Fury tried to bring back his old riddler style vs Wilder, and it was no longer as potent. This is evident by how he was decked twice in the first fight.

Tyson Fury has been unable duplicate his former condition. Since he left Peter Fury's camp.

In order for Fury's old Riddler style to be 100% potent, I honestly think he needs to train under the tutorship of Peter Fury.

Fury when he first made his comeback, attempted to duplicate his former style and condition. But It became clear after the Otto Wallin fight, that his former riddler style was no longer as potent. Tyson Fury in that fight weighed in at 254 pounds, but he was still found inside the ring and busted up real good by Wallin.

Lesser fighters technically than Wladimir Kiltschko, were now decking him and busting him up real good.

The Peter Fury partnership is not really looking like it is going to happen. Tyson Fury has adapted his style and changed his training techniques.

He is now consistently weighing in at high 260 to 270 + pounds. All the attributes which made his old riddler style awkward and bamboozling have all decreased 'But his offense, and brute strength have increased'.

Anthony Joshua stylistically is fighting Tyson Fury at the right time, well the best time for him to increase his chances of winning. If he is going to beat Tyson Fury, it will be this Kronk version of Fury.

But even still, this Tyson Fury is a big favorite. And he has shown that he can bring back Shades of the riddler.

Fury did this vs Whyte. But Whyte can hardly move inside the ring. Currently right now, it is not clear whether Fury has better overall movement than Joshua.

Joshua has some half decent dance moves inside the ring, he did show this vs Usyk. It is a myth that he is a static fighter.

I am not saying his movement is greater than Furys, but it is not clear how much better Fury's movement is than Joshua's.

Wilder and Wallin had no problem finding Fury inside the ring.

[MisterDeclanCor]

Great breakdown from the acclaimed OnlyFans star(and boxing coach.) He's purposefully overlooking Joshua's cataclysmic, career-deadening mental defragmentation though. If Joshua decides to brave the build up no-phones, Fury will mess him up. He will actually go insane, it's only logical way forward for him as a human being. I actually, really, all banter and trolling aside, sympathise with this man, old men with deep hungry pockets putting words in his ears from day one. I remember a documentary where he was walking around an Ali museum I think, and he was talking aloud to himself saying "I wonder when will I have my museum and be up 'ere on the pantheon?" There was nobody there to clip his ear and tell him to wind his neck in. Somebody who actually had his best interests at heart might've done that.