Comments Thread For: Wilder on Joshua: 'They Made Anthony Joshua ... They Gave Him Everything'

[MastaBlasta]

Partisan boxing fans are hilarious. Wilder had a hard time getting any fights when he first got a belt. He offered the biggest star in boxing $50 million to make a fight ... a purse no one has ever had ... and still couldn't get him to say yes. So why trash his resume? Who was he supposed to fight ... if the number one guy is turning down historic purses to fight?

Oh sure, fight a bunch of guys you partisans care about ... where nobody is putting up a payday to make it worthwhile. Wilder fought plenty of those along the way for low money.

He started very late to boxing, and has done his best to get where he is. HW boxing was near-dead when he turned pro (obviously when Stiverne was holding a belt). You fight who you can and make as much money as you can in that circumstance .... it's not Wilder's fault. His KO's brought excitement back, and a much better class of HW's today ... because the excitement helped kick-start the purses. Potential talent started seeing purses to make the chase worth it (here in the US). It was a different situation in other countries.

People forget where boxing was a few years ago .... he's lucky to have a resume. After the Klitchko's dominance there wasn't much out there ....

[peplz]

you could’ve made your own independent comment but instead, due to your delicate emotions, you chose to comment on my post (which had nothing to do with wilder) and have now been exposed as an emotional Aj fanboy detached from reality. Well done sir.

You are a perfect example of why articles like this get published. So I couldn’t help but use you and your comment as an example because you exposed yourself as one of the many internet comment board warriors who are addicted to the spin. The irony is that with every reply that you make to try to refute what I’m saying you keep making my point for me. The fact that you use comment board jargon like “fanboy” and try to speculate about the emotional state of a complete stranger along with quoting boxing sites highlights the exact stereotypical behavior of why they think pushing fringe perspectives to the forefront with articles like this is good for business. And this article is about what Deontay Wilder said about Anthony Joshua. Your comment falls right in line with same kind of petty nitpicking and spinning that Deontay Wilder is doing with the comments that he made that this article highlights. So well done to you as well sir.

[Jab jab boom]

You are a perfect example of why articles like this get published. So I couldn’t help but use you and your comment as an example because you exposed yourself as one of the many internet comment board warriors who are addicted to the spin. The irony is that with every reply that you make to try to refute what I’m saying you keep making my point for me. The fact that you use comment board jargon like “fanboy” and try to speculate about the emotional state of a complete stranger along with quoting boxing sites highlights the exact stereotypical behavior of why they think pushing fringe perspectives to the forefront with articles like this is good for business. And this article is about what Deontay Wilder said about Anthony Joshua. Your comment falls right in line with same kind of petty nitpicking and spinning that Deontay Wilder is doing with the comments that he made that this article highlights. So well done to you as well sir.

and you are the perfect example of why Hearn will continue to pretend Aj is better than he really is. Because delusional supporters such as yourself, believe his spin on who Aj is because you really have a weird adoration for a man that you don’t even know. But for those of us who actually know boxing and base boxers on what happens in the ring, we don’t operate with fanboy emotions (and I use that word because that’s what you clearly are), we see the reality of what he is. Someone who was always overhyped, who has limited skills, a fragile chin, and even more fragile heart. And that’s not based on anything wilder said, it’s based on what has literally happened in the ring. Despite your blinded by love denial. There are boxing fans with integrity and then loyalists to specific boxers. You’re the latter, which is fine. Just don’t try to convince those of us who are real fans that your deluded beliefs are reality.

[Roberto Vasquez]

He has more experience than Tyson Fury at elite and world class level.

Skill for skill when you analyse Fury's resume. The last time he fought at elite level, another technically elite level boxer was 'Wladimir Kiltschko'.

Wilder was a elite level fight, but not in terms of technical skill. And that is no disrespect to Wilder, I rate Wilder 'And he does have a good Jab'.

If you take Wilder & Kiltschko out of Fury's resume. He has only really fought at domestic and high end European level.

Whyte by the time he got to Fury was not world class, probably dropped off to European level.

Joshua has back to back, no matter how people try to dress it down 'He has consistently fought at world class or elite level for quite some time now'.

Joshua has just fought two back to back fights at super elite level vs Usyk. He is on paper the more experienced fighter than Fury.

Does not mean he is better than Fury, but it is a 100% fact that he has more experience at world class and elite level.

Yes 100%. Fury or Wilder could beat Joshua but they never fight anyone - or hardly ever. Wilder is a much better fighter then he looks - don't forget that speed and heart but he seems to lose that courage outside the ring when choosing opponents. We all know Fury was a big name, low risk fight (Fury had been retired and on drink and drugs)

[PRINCEKOOL]

Yes 100%. Fury or Wilder could beat Joshua but they never fight anyone - or hardly ever. Wilder is a much better fighter then he looks - don't forget that speed and heart but he seems to lose that courage outside the ring when choosing opponents. We all know Fury was a big name, low risk fight (Fury had been retired and on drink and drugs)

I rate Wilder's jab, I ranked it as the second best Jab in the Heavyweight division. I have stated this in numerous discussions. Good Jab, elite level resolve, power and near psychopathic aggression. Deontay Wilder when in top condition, has never been a easy fight for anyone of today's Heavyweights. Even if he is being out boxed, there is that intimidation of his power 'Which makes the fight taxing for his opponents'.

If Wilder is challenge and in a fight, he will give his all and leave it all in the ring. But like you have pointed out, it is getting him to take those fights.

If Wilder beats Helenius, just like Joshua? I honestly don't think he needs to jump back into a title fight. Wilder could just go away and do his own thing, and still make big fights.

I think both Fury and Wilder, chose to fight each other because 'At that time stylistically, they believed each others style's was more of a winnable fight for them vs Joshua'.

Fury probably thought, well I can out boxed this guy. And Wilder most likely thought? This guy does not have the power to stop me in my tracks, and I will get to him at some point.

To a certain extent both of them were right. I have always classed the first fight as a draw. Fury was backed up all night, and decked twice 'You don't win world titles like that'.

Fury boxed well, but Wilder scored plenty of points with his style, aggression and damage.

Stylistically I think a peak Wilder is a extremely dangerous fight for Joshua. More dangerous than the Fury fight.

Still Fury is the favorite vs Joshua.

[Roberto Vasquez]

I rate Wilder's jab, I ranked it as the second best Jab in the Heavyweight division. I have stated this in numerous discussions. Good Jab, elite level resolve, power and near psychopathic aggression. Deontay Wilder when in top condition, has never been a easy fight for anyone of today's Heavyweights. Even if he is being out boxed, there is that intimidation of his power 'Which makes the fight taxing for his opponents'.

If Wilder is challenge and in a fight, he will give his all and leave it all in the ring. But like you have pointed out, it is getting him to take those fights.

If Wilder beats Helenius, just like Joshua? I honestly don't think he needs to jump back into a title fight. Wilder could just go away and do his own thing, and still make big fights.

I think both Fury and Wilder, chose to fight each other because 'At that time stylistically, they believed each others style's was more of a winnable fight for them vs Joshua'.

Fury probably thought, well I can out boxed this guy. And Wilder most likely thought? This guy does not have the power to stop me in my tracks, and I will get to him at some point.

To a certain extent both of them were right. I have always classed the first fight as a draw. Fury was backed up all night, and decked twice 'You don't win world titles like that'.

Fury boxed well, but Wilder scored plenty of points with his style, aggression and damage.

Stylistically I think a peak Wilder is a extremely dangerous fight for Joshua. More dangerous than the Fury fight.

Still Fury is the favorite vs Joshua.

That's why Wilder annoys me, because we are always talking about him but he never does much. Helenius is a puff fight. No one was talking about Helenius until the Kowanacki fights. Guy lost to Washington and Whyte in recent times. Helenius is cannon fodder for someone like Wilder. Helenius is just being puffed up by the promoter into a real contender.

Like I said Usyk said he wants Wilder - so after Helenius Wilder has a chance to win a ton of belts. He had better take it this time.

Wilder VS AJ would be a great fight to watch. They should make that. Wilder's manager just said they are avoiding it until after the Helenius fight, so lets hope that gets made - if it isn't Usyk. It's hard to see AJ going 12 rounds with Wilder so he has to stop him. But not sure if AJ has that mentality any more. There's a real big danger with Wilder- you could outbox him for 10 rounds and get KO'd in the 11th. All fighters fall into that trap.

[peplz]

and you are the perfect example of why Hearn will continue to pretend Aj is better than he really is. Because delusional supporters such as yourself, believe his spin on who Aj is because you really have a weird adoration for a man that you don’t even know. But for those of us who actually know boxing and base boxers on what happens in the ring, we don’t operate with fanboy emotions (and I use that word because that’s what you clearly are), we see the reality of what he is. Someone who was always overhyped, who has limited skills, a fragile chin, and even more fragile heart. And that’s not based on anything wilder said, it’s based on what has literally happened in the ring. Despite your blinded by love denial. There are boxing fans with integrity and then loyalists to specific boxers. You’re the latter, which is fine. Just don’t try to convince those of us who are real fans that your deluded beliefs are reality.

Wow you’re complaining about an fighter’s promoter actually doing his job?! You must love it when promoters like Bob Arum trashes his own client. And what are you playing a game of “I know you are but what am I”. I say you spin so you say I spin? You don’t have you’re own points to make? The person who always is looking for the a way to trash a certain fighter has an obsession. And you use internet comment board jargon like “fan boy” because you are a cliché like Insaid from the beginning.

[KingGilgamesh]

Judging by how wrong people have turned out to be about guys like Dubois, Hrgovic and Joyce I'm going to lean into him being correct.

I'm biased being a Wilder fan but who does Joshua really have on his resume? Other than Usyk (who I can increasingly see getting straight up starched at heavyweight).

Takam? Meh. Iced by the ghost of Chisora and Joyce.
Parker? Always been a disappointment and finally exposed by Joyce.
Wlad? Old.
Povetkin? Old.
Whyte? Crap fighter exposed by Fury.

Yes, Wilder hasn't fought these names but what ****ing difference would it make if he did? He would still be disparaged as a cherry picking bum starcher.

I'm not really going to go on about Joshua being manufactured. It is what it is at this point. The only thing I question is whether he may be even worse than his fans believe he is. I honestly at times think he barely belongs in the top 10 in the heavyweight division. What irks me isn't his manufacturing, but the fact that a visibly flawed and in some ways mediocre fighter was propped up by the British public for so long. I see the same thing (to a lesser extent) with Dubois. I bought into the hype once upon a time but then I started to notice how ****ing slow, upright and straight up unintelligent he is as a fighter...and yet he's propped up to be this young heavyweight with massive potential. Why?

[Toffee]

Takam? Meh. Iced by the ghost of Chisora and Joyce.
Parker? Always been a disappointment and finally exposed by Joyce.
Wlad? Old.
Povetkin? Old.
Whyte? Crap fighter exposed by Fury.

Yes, Wilder hasn't fought these names but what ****ing difference would it make if he did? He would still be disparaged as a cherry picking bum starcher.

If he'd fought those names and unified belts of course it would make a difference. No-one could claim Joshua's resume is better.

It's you who disparages those names. If Wilder fought them then you still disparage them... but at least they'd have fight similar level fighters. As it stands, Wilder hasn't fought many at that level.

[KingGilgamesh]

If he'd fought those names and unified belts of course it would make a difference. No-one could claim Joshua's resume is better.

It's you who disparages those names. If Wilder fought them then you still disparage them... but at least they'd have fight similar level fighters. As it stands, Wilder hasn't fought many at that level.

Looool and what ****ing level is the likes of Parker? His team actually turned down a Wilder fight. Laughable seeing people actually rate these guys. Same with Whyte and Takam. There was a time where people legit said Whyte would give Wilder problems. This dude comes in overweight in the bigger fight of his career and gets dogwalked by Fury. This is the talent on Joshua's resume who is above the level of anyone Wilder has fought