Comments Thread For: Wilder on Joshua: 'They Made Anthony Joshua ... They Gave Him Everything'

[crillz]

Wilder is trippin
& I like wilder but he is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY off the mark on this one.

do you think Joshua would've gotten all these pushes had Whyte knocked him out?

do you think if Klitschko beat him he would sell out faster than Mike?

Brits get behind their guy
they did it for Ricky Hatton & they do it for AJ
not only that he was their undefeated Heavyweight hope
we all know what the HW's mean to Boxing
here they had an undefeated champion
of course they bought into him like that.

As far as him being GIVEN things?
nobody is GIVEN things
you still have to go in there & win.
if Matt Skelton would've pulled the miracle we wouldn't even be talking about AJ.
The point is AJ won the fights
he chased the belts
he knocked out Klitschko
you can't GIVE him that
he won because he was good enough to win
therefore he EARNED it, he wasn't given ****

You can't be mad at him for making the best career choices for himself when you signed to PBC
new home of the in house fights
at least Top Rank is willing to deal with others nowadays but PBC?
they known for doing the same exact thing just worse.
if PBC had all the champions at HW then Fury, Usyk, AJ etc won't get shots unless they sign to them
that's far worse than how AJ came into prominence

[peplz]

I could break down every inaccuracy in your novel above but you’re clearly living in a world of delusion. Nothing you’re stating is accurate, especially blaming wilder for the narrative that Aj quit. The dazn announcer literally says “he quit” at the close of the ko. So how is wilder to blame? The rest of your points make it clear that you’re in’s denial about fury’s status among today’s heavyweights, how Usyk looked as a heavyweight before beating Joshua and your weak attempt to pretend a split decision was justified in the rematch. That’s how I know you’re emotional about this. You’ve lost touch with reality all in an attempt to defend Aj.

The commentators did suggest that he “had enough and thar he was gassed” at the end of the fight. I’ll give you that. But Deontay Wilder is the only person who went on a social media campaign to create a narrative about him quitting. He got knocked down by a temple shot more than once. Its a well known fact of human physiology that getting hit in the temple messes up a person’s equilibrium and is the most difficult shot to recover from. Somehow that was conveniently ignored by Deontay Wilder and you and it just becomes a spin narrative that he quit. And it is a fact that Anthony Joshua had an immediate rematch with Andy Ruiz and won by a wide margin. The scores and the split decision victory for Usyk against Joshua are facts. You trying to steer a narrative about whether or not the scores and split decision were justified or not is you trying to use your opinion to put a spin on the facts. You speculating about the emotions of a complete stranger that you never met because you disagree with the person is just a desperate ploy to put a spin on the comments and critiques that I made about the fringe nature of this article and your original post that I used as an example. Its all about spin doctoring the actual facts. Plain and simple and as clear as day.

[Jab jab boom]

The commentators did suggest that he “had enough and thar he was gassed” at the end of the fight. I’ll give you that. But Deontay Wilder is the only person who went on a social media campaign to create a narrative about him quitting. He got knocked down by a temple shot more than once. Its a well known fact of human physiology that getting hit in the temple messes up a person’s equilibrium and is the most difficult shot to recover from. Somehow that was conveniently ignored by Deontay Wilder and you and it just becomes a spin narrative that he quit. And it is a fact that Anthony Joshua had an immediate rematch with Andy Ruiz and won by a wide margin. The scores and the split decision victory for Usyk against Joshua are facts. You trying to steer a narrative about whether or not the scores and split decision were justified or not is you trying to use your opinion to put a spin on the facts. You speculating about the emotions of a complete stranger that you never met because you disagree with the person is just a desperate ploy to put a spin on the comments and critiques that I made about the fringe nature of this article and your original post that I used as an example. Its all about spin doctoring the actual facts. Plain and simple and as clear as day.

again, you’re ironically spinning the narrative. The announcers didn’t say he had enough. They flat out said “I think he wants out”. So that combined with people actually having eyes and watching him choose not to respond to the ref is why he’s considered a quitter. Not wilders blabbering.
As for the scoring in Usyk vs Joshua 2. Judges make terrible decisions in this corrupt sport all the time. Using that as facts to argue of what actually took place in the ring is ridiculous. Based on what actually took place in the ring, Joshua has no argument for winning. Just look at the following quotes from a Uk based site. Poor judging is not a valid argument to defend Joshua’s performance.

“But it would've been a clean sweep for the undefeated Ukranian had judge Glenn Feldman not turned in an outrageous scorecard.

The American stunningly scored the fight 115-113 in favour of Joshua - giving him the first THREE rounds despite the fact he clearly lost them.”

https://www.the-sun.com/sport/6044822/oleksandr-usyk-anthony-joshua-scorecards-judge-glenn-feldman/amp/

Heres another sites stance on the fight in case you have an issue with the previous
“Usyk vs Joshua 2 scorecard breakdown shows AJ won one clear round”


https://www.***************.net/2022...eakdown/?amp=1

Even Joshuas favorite network dazn scored the fight for Usyk.

accept reality.

[peplz]

again, you’re ironically spinning the narrative. The announcers didn’t say he had enough. They flat out said “I think he wants out”. So that combined with people actually having eyes and watching him choose not to respond to the ref is why he’s considered a quitter. Not wilders blabbering.
As for the scoring in Usyk vs Joshua 2. Judges make terrible decisions in this corrupt sport all the time. Using that as facts to argue of what actually took place in the ring is ridiculous. Based on what actually took place in the ring, Joshua has no argument for winning. Just look at the following quotes from a Uk based site. Poor judging is not a valid argument to defend Joshua’s performance.

“But it would've been a clean sweep for the undefeated Ukranian had judge Glenn Feldman not turned in an outrageous scorecard.

The American stunningly scored the fight 115-113 in favour of Joshua - giving him the first THREE rounds despite the fact he clearly lost them.”

https://www.the-sun.com/sport/604482...n-feldman/amp/

Heres another sites stance on the fight in case you have an issue with the previous
“Usyk vs Joshua 2 scorecard breakdown shows AJ won one clear round”



https://www.***************.net/2022...eakdown/?amp=1

Even Joshuas favorite network dazn scored the fight for Usyk.

accept reality.

Yes. Sergio Mora also said that along with the other things that were said that I already quoted. That makes absolutely no difference. You are trying desperately to find something that was said by someone else to support your opinion and your spin narrative. And like I already said, you are not the only person who makes comments to try to create a narrative. It’s nauseatingly common in the world of boxing actually. I’m just stating facts. You, Deontay Wilder and all of the people and “sites” that you quoted are trying to create a narrative. I’m not trying to argue anything about what happened in the ring. Thats all you. I’m just stating facts about what happened in reality. No spin required. The most silly thing you said is that “people” watched him choose. The only “people” you can speak for is yourself. And the idea that you watched him choose not to respond after being knocked to the canvas is just a completely false narrative. The referee asked him did he want to continue and he nodded his head and said yes. The referee then took a look at him and waved the fight off. He protested and then the fight came to an end. I’m not even sure if the referee ever even asked him to walk forward but even if he did there is no way for you to know that he was able to and just simply chose not to or not. This is something that people like you and Deontay Wilder are either assuming or just completely fabricating. Also known as spinning.

[Raggamuffin]

Wilder was offered the Joshua fight before Helenius was even official because they offered it before the Usyk fight had been done with .

Wilder cried about it and made excuses as usual, even Finkle recently admitted to once again delaying any talks even though Hearn reached out to him . Let’s face it these guys don5 want any fighter they think can win or an advantage they don’t have . Lol

Your still the same delusional poster ,where do you rate a Helenius win from 1 to 10 ?

Why don’t you stop lying to posters. Did you even read what you posted before you hit “post reply”, lmao. Not one sane poster believes that Wilder wouldn’t fight Joshua, lmao. They tried to cash Nishua out because they had NO FAITH that he would beat Usyk. Keep it G lol…

[Jab jab boom]

Yes. Sergio Mora also said that along with the other things that were said that I already quoted. That makes absolutely no difference. You are trying desperately to find something that was said by someone else to support your opinion and your spin narrative. And like I already said, you are not the only person who makes comments to try to create a narrative. It’s nauseatingly common in the world of boxing actually. I’m just stating facts. You, Deontay Wilder and all of the people and “sites” that you quoted are trying to create a narrative. I’m not trying to argue anything about what happened in the ring. Thats all you. I’m just stating facts about what happened in reality. No spin required. The most silly thing you said is that “people” watched him choose. The only “people” you can speak for is yourself. And the idea that you watched him choose not to respond after being knocked to the canvas is just a completely false narrative. The referee asked him did he want to continue and he nodded his head and said yes. The referee then took a look at him and waved the fight off. He protested and then the fight came to an end. I’m not even sure if the referee ever even asked him to walk forward but even if he did there is no way for you to know that he was able to and just simply chose not to or not. This is something that people like you and Deontay Wilder are either assuming or just completely fabricating. Also known as spinning.

Nahhh, don’t change your point now. You weren’t just stating what the scores were. You were using it as a basis to defend Joshua losing to Usyk by making it seem like it was questionable or he could’ve deserved a decision, which he didn’t. You can go based on scorecards and let us who actually know the sport, assess what’s really taking place in the ring. If we went by your logic, Lewis deserves a draw to Holyfield. Fury and wilder 1 should’ve been a draw and Canelo barely sc****d by ggg this weekend. Try not to be a muppet and also try not to be so sensitive about Aj not being as good as you desperately wanted him to be.

[peplz]

Nahhh, don’t change your point now. You weren’t just stating what the scores were. You were using it as a basis to defend Joshua losing to Usyk by making it seem like it was questionable or he could’ve deserved a decision, which he didn’t. You can go based on scorecards and let us who actually know the sport, assess what’s really taking place in the ring. If we went by your logic, Lewis deserves a draw to Holyfield. Fury and wilder 1 should’ve been a draw and Canelo barely sc****d by ggg this weekend. Try not to be a muppet and also try not to be so sensitive about Aj not being as good as you desperately wanted him to be.

You are spinning your own spin into a whole new argument and completely making things up along the way. You’re still trying to pretend that you know anything about how a complete stranger feels, but now you’re trying to put words in my mouth that I never said while you do it. I mean how many different desperate spin tactics are you going to try to employ? Deontay Wilder got beat down and knocked out twice in a row against a recovering suicidal ******* addict. And he has shown nothing but poor sportsmanship in the wake of his losses. Yet boxingscene still wants to publish articles quoting him making disparaging remarks about other fighters. Anthony Joshua lost two close points decisions to one of the top pound for pound fighters in the sport. Anthony Joshua beat Andy Ruiz by a wide points decision in an immediate rematch to his first loss. These are facts. Your opinion about the scores of the Usyk fights and opinion about Joshua quitting against Ruiz in the first fight are just spin tactics to paint a narrative that fits your own personal agenda. Period.

[Jab jab boom]

You are spinning your own spin into a whole new argument and completely making things up along the way. You’re still trying to pretend that you know anything about how a complete stranger feels, but now you’re trying to put words in my mouth that I never said while you do it. I mean how many different desperate spin tactics are you going to try to employ? Deontay Wilder got beat down and knocked out twice in a row against a recovering suicidal ******* addict. And he has shown nothing but poor sportsmanship in the wake of his losses. Yet boxingscene still wants to publish articles quoting him making disparaging remarks about other fighters. Anthony Joshua lost two close points decisions to one of the top pound for pound fighters in the sport. Anthony Joshua beat Andy Ruiz by a wide points decision in an immediate rematch to his first loss. These are facts. Your opinion about the scores of the Usyk fights and opinion about Joshua quitting against Ruiz in the first fight are just spin tactics to paint a narrative that fits your own personal agenda. Period.

why are you so obsessed with wilder? I haven’t even brought him up yet you keep choosing to reference him in your replies to my comment. He got his ass whooped 3 times by fury (despite the draw) and then came up with the ridiculous excuses. See how easy it is to be unbiased? Yet here you come running to Joshua’s aide despite him getting washed by 2 underdogs and going 1-3 against Ruiz and Usyk. All you keep doing is clinging to a points win against Ruiz in a rematch against an obviously fatter and checked out Ruiz and a “close points loss” that were two very clear wins. Give it up. He’s not as good as he was hyped up to be, which was my original point and that obviously hurts your feelings. If it didn’t, you wouldn’t have went on your weird skip bayless referencing rant when you don’t have a valid response to counter my accurate points.

[peplz]

why are you so obsessed with wilder? I haven’t even brought him up yet you keep choosing to reference him in your replies to my comment. He got his ass whooped 3 times by fury (despite the draw) and then came up with the ridiculous excuses. See how easy it is to be unbiased? Yet here you come running to Joshua’s aide despite him getting washed by 2 underdogs and going 1-3 against Ruiz and Usyk. All you keep doing is clinging to a points win against Ruiz in a rematch against an obviously fatter and checked out Ruiz and a “close points loss” that were two very clear wins. Give it up. He’s not as good as he was hyped up to be, which was my original point and that obviously hurts your feelings. If it didn’t, you wouldn’t have went on your weird skip bayless referencing rant when you don’t have a valid response to counter my accurate points.

I’m commenting on the article. The article is about Deontay Wilder and his comments about Anthony Joshua. The article is not about you. I was just using your comment as an example as to why fringe articles like this get published in the first place. They cater to the Skip Bayless audience. And yes that is a reference to people who post comments like your original post.

[Jab jab boom]

I’m commenting on the article. The article is about Deontay Wilder and his comments about Anthony Joshua. The article is not about you. I was just using your comment as an example as to why fringe articles like this get published in the first place. They cater to the Skip Bayless audience. And yes that is a reference to people who post comments like your original post.

you could’ve made your own independent comment but instead, due to your delicate emotions, you chose to comment on my post (which had nothing to do with wilder) and have now been exposed as an emotional Aj fanboy detached from reality. Well done sir.