Comments Thread For: Arum: If Joshua Faces Fury Next - It Would Be a Massacre!

[Boro]

Apart from the fact Arum might have little interest in an all-British fight where he has no role to play, he didn't say anything wrong. When you offer someone a voluntary opportunity to a title fight, they have little power to negotiate. Did Andy Ruiz Jr, for instance, ask Joshua and Hearn dates to suit him, or a 60-40 rematch split, or bring in his network contractual obligations in their first fight? The case of Joshua and Fury is similar.

For the fight to happen, AJ might accept the terms but will Eddie/DAZN allow him to fight elsewhere? He is coming off two consecutive losses, can he afford the 3rd one, and what would be his value afterward? I am sure Eddie and DAZN would be asking these questions. So, while it is an interesting fight, I do agree that Eddie/DAZN would be having other thoughts.

AJ is delivering numbers in the UK no one else in that of the world has come close to? so I don't know maybe that's why he has "little (laughable) power to negotiate" Ruiz and him aren't even close to comparable or similar in anyway in regards to value.

so you're either delusional or being intentionally intellectually dishonest...

And of course Eddie/Dazn have to be cognisant of AJ and his value should he lose, but let's be honest he'd be losing to arguably the best heavyweight of the generation and he's one of the only guys willing to take on all comers in this generation if he takes the fight...

[Zelda]

AJ is delivering numbers in the UK no one else in that of the world has come close to? so I don't know maybe that's why he has "little (laughable) power to negotiate" Ruiz and him aren't even close to comparable or similar in anyway in regards to value.

so you're either delusional or being intentionally intellectually dishonest...

And of course Eddie/Dazn have to be cognisant of AJ and his value should he lose, but let's be honest he'd be losing to arguably the best heavyweight of the generation and he's one of the only guys willing to take on all comers in this generation if he takes the fight...

Joshua has numbers and that is why he is being offered 40%, not a fixed amount of $5-6m. But other than that, he has a choice...get an immediate shot at the title after losing two consecutive fights or go the long way of waiting 1.5-2 years before getting another shot, particularly if Fury-Usyk have a two fights clause that will basically occupy the entire 2023. Fury filled 94000 fans easily fighting Whyte who was actively trying to make the fight flop.

Fury has the option of taking an average fighter and still make some money, fight Usyk twice for lots of money, and still face Joshua in 2024 for even more money. What option does Joshua has? fight some unknown Zhang or rematch Whyte and Chisora while waiting for 2024? For Joshua to sell good PPV numbers, he will need a dancing partner and there is only Wilder as an alternative. The other fights might do good but not compare to Fury or Wilder fights in financial terms. Saudi/Abu Dhabi are chasing the Fury-Usyk fight, not Joshua vs Whyte or Chisora fights. There is a reason Eddie wants Joshua to go on a "world tour" basically fighting lesser opponents in different parts of the world rebuilding his image till he can get a go at the championship again.

Who is being delusional here?

[Boro]

Joshua has numbers and that is why he is being offered 40%, not a fixed amount of $5-6m. But other than that, he has a choice...get an immediate shot at the title after losing two consecutive fights or go the long way of waiting 1.5-2 years before getting another shot, particularly if Fury-Usyk have a two fights clause that will basically occupy the entire 2023. Fury filled 94000 fans easily fighting Whyte who was actively trying to make the fight flop.

Fury has the option of taking an average fighter and still make some money, fight Usyk twice for lots of money, and still face Joshua in 2024 for even more money. What option does Joshua has? fight some unknown Zhang or rematch Whyte and Chisora while waiting for 2024? For Joshua to sell good PPV numbers, he will need a dancing partner and there is only Wilder as an alternative. The other fights might do good but not compare to Fury or Wilder fights in financial terms. Saudi/Abu Dhabi are chasing the Fury-Usyk fight, not Joshua vs Whyte or Chisora fights. There is a reason Eddie wants Joshua to go on a "world tour" basically fighting lesser opponents in different parts of the world rebuilding his image till he can get a go at the championship again.

Who is being delusional here?

Whyte is the most proven PPV guy in the UK after Joshua, we still don't know what numbers Fury vs Whyte has done... so let's not go with this fake narrative that Fury sold Wembley on his own.

Zhang in the birds nest makes 10's of millions easily, A wilder fight could break a 100m+ with relative ease AJ has many options, It's Fury who has next to no options there is literally no one available in the top 10 who'll get him paid.

Sanchez is the only guy who as far as I'm aware isn't booked to fight in the top 10 and there is little to no chance Fury fights him... so please tell me who's in the better predicament again?

And if he fights a Charr or the likes he'll be proven to be everything Eddie has accused him of being and he'll become a laughingstock.

[Zelda]

Joshua fighting Zhang is pretty similar to Fury fighting Charr. Fury can rematch Chisora and generate a decent income. It won't be a huge fight but a decent stay-busy fight in preparation for a mega Usyk paycheck from Saudi/Abu Dhabi. He still has the option to fight Joshua or the winner of Wilder/Ruiz as a mandatory which will also be a big fight.

Only AJ-Wilder is a mega fight but it is rather difficult to make. Joshua-Whyte does good numbers too. But the real question is does Joshua sit out for 2 years waiting for Fury? Fury-Usyk, if and when it happens, would be a two-fight deal, so there goes 2023. Fury would then have to defend his WBC title (assuming he wins) in early 2024. So, that leaves late 2024 for Fury-Joshua to happen. His other option is to fight for a left-over belt assuming one of Usyk/Fury vacates one or more of the belts after the unification, but that simply wouldn't have the same prestige.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Joshua has numbers and that is why he is being offered 40%, not a fixed amount of $5-6m. But other than that, he has a choice...get an immediate shot at the title after losing two consecutive fights or go the long way of waiting 1.5-2 years before getting another shot, particularly if Fury-Usyk have a two fights clause that will basically occupy the entire 2023. Fury filled 94000 fans easily fighting Whyte who was actively trying to make the fight flop.

Fury has the option of taking an average fighter and still make some money, fight Usyk twice for lots of money, and still face Joshua in 2024 for even more money. What option does Joshua has? fight some unknown Zhang or rematch Whyte and Chisora while waiting for 2024? For Joshua to sell good PPV numbers, he will need a dancing partner and there is only Wilder as an alternative. The other fights might do good but not compare to Fury or Wilder fights in financial terms. Saudi/Abu Dhabi are chasing the Fury-Usyk fight, not Joshua vs Whyte or Chisora fights. There is a reason Eddie wants Joshua to go on a "world tour" basically fighting lesser opponents in different parts of the world rebuilding his image till he can get a go at the championship again.

Who is being delusional here?

The UK is a sporting nation. That is why Fury vs Whyte did 94'000 at Wembley.

Carl Froch vs George Groves also did 80'000 at Wembley and could of done more, if they were allowed.

The UK, the people just adorn sport. They will jump on anything, and support it. If it is promoted adequately.

Anthony Joshua's next fight without Fury, is bigger than Fury's next fight without Joshua.

Joshua is not desperate and does not need Fury or this opportunity like people are making out.

On the sly that could be it now, Joshua and team match room could decide to just do their own thing.

If World Championship belts where not in the debate, what really is Fury offering Joshua? There are many many other big fights out there.

Don't kid yourself, whoever WHOEVER Joshua fights next is a big fight. His journey in boxing is more interesting now, than it was when he was champion.

Without Usyk Fury's next fight is not going to upstage Joshua.

[al-Xander]

Would be a public execution, in Eubank's lingo speak.