Mayweather-Marquez: The Post-Fight Report Card

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It wouldn't be much difference if he fought those 2.

so what do you want floyd to do retire again since floyd has no equal??? I'm trying to talk about competitive future fights. what are you talking about?

His skill level is so much higher than anyone elses at WW.

never said he wasn't.

Shane has problems with boxers who don't stand directly in front of him and let him swing for the fences. Cotto doesnt have a plan B and certainly can't out think or outbox him.

listen to me closely... for floyd to get credit he actually has to fight them...

Even if he beats them; detractors like yourself will never be satisfied.

**** u. you don't know me. as long as floyd is boxing he needs to fight challenging opponents. once floyd retires, then he won't have to deal with it anymore. ya feel me???

I think people get carried away with their dislike of certain fighters. Personally I don't believe that most top fighters are afraid to fight, they have all been doing this too long. I have nothing but respect for the heart and skill of JMM, PBF, SSM and most of the other cats out here. JMM did not really get over powered, he got out skilled. Even if they were exactly the same size, you are not going to win a fight connecting at that percentage, Floyd's defense was amazing. Combine that with the accuracy of the punches and this is where the fight was won. Mayweather says crazy things, but I don't let that get in the way of what I saw last Saturday. There was a very wide gap in skill level.

JMM was too ****in small. he had no power to hurt floyd, no speed to get to floyd. if they were the same size, jmm doesn't get shut out 12 rounds to none.

there was also a wide gap in their weights too. jmm was 148 lbs... floyd was anywhere between 154-160 lbs. floyd is not all that much skilled than jmm... jmm just had nothing to work with.

[SOCAL BOXING]

By Cliff Rold - The sooner fans realize it the better, unless they want to keep paying for fights that aren’t fights.

Juan Manuel Marquez (50-5-1, 37 KO) got a shot at Floyd Mayweather (40-0, 39 KO) probably in large part because he was seen by some as second only to Manny Pacquiao in pound for pound terms. That comparison shopping could take place, weighing how Mayweather would look with Marquez, and how Pacquiao did look, was also a bonus. What was learned by night’s end is something which gets forgotten too often in hyperbole: pound for pound is not a weight class. [details]

Very well put, even when such a fight was brought upon it seemed it was something out of a video game more than real life itself. These two boxer's as great and talented as they are did not belong in the same ring against eachother, perhaps the Rocky tale hyped up the event and p4p status even more, but with this scenario perhaps a drained Mayweather or much older, in the eve of retirement (think Delahoya/pacquiao) would have certainly helped in leverage it was nothing less, but the opposite. Mayweather's intent to perhaps not give any type of advantage to the smaller fighter reminds us of the lack of respect by this new generation of boxer's and promoter's to the sport of boxing. Catchweight had been controversial in my opinion since it was created, but this fight reaffirmed why we must at one point say enough is enough, give us bouts to a realistic level or atleast contracts that would avoid such cracks in a deal that at the end of it all boxer's/promoter's come out atop and with the larger straw and leaves the public with a sour taste for lack of competetiveness to say the least..

[MOREBASS]

Cliff Rold is P4P BoxingScene's greatest contributor, IMO.


I agree completely with this article. Did anyone really expect this fight to go any differently than it did?


I didn't.


I think fights like this one, do more harm for the sport than good. My reasoning being that just about every single person I talked to about the fight (there were plenty of people talking about it at yesterday's 9er tailgate) thought that the fight was lackluster, and a total mismatch. Most of them felt robbed of their money.

[Dave Rado]

By Cliff Rold - Mayweather wanted a name opponent who couldn’t seriously threaten him. He got what he wanted to. Choosing Marquez as a first foe back after some time off was never a problem. Pretending Marquez’s pound for pound regard meant a real fight at Welterweight was. [details]

That quote should be read out loud 3 times a day to every Mayweather fanboy.

[drudolphreese]

Floyd hand picks fights and doesn't challenge his self. His last ten fights are N'dou, Corley, Bruceles, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, Dela Hoya, Hatton(moved up from jr welterweight), Marquez(moved up in from lightweight). Not what i expect from a so called all time great. There was much more dangerous and more challenging opposition. And i dont wanna here others ducked him. If he wanted the fights, he would have got them being who he is.

[boxingfan76]

If PBF knows how to honor agreed catchweight not using his money to insure his winnings, then I am not convince he could beat Pac! He should be in equal footing with Pac and let's see how good is he!

bwaaaaaaha ha ha equal footing! u wish!!!! pac would get beat roaches confidence is destroyed that fight wont happen garunteed! gayweather needs to fight mosley wiliiams or mosley or margarito are the only ones that can compete wit that clown, pac unless he brutally ko's cotto should be totally not in this conversation.

[StrangerInTown]

Void Floyd: The Exhibitionist

On the evening of September 19th, 2009, HBO and many boxing fans thirsty for a drink from the fountain of action after a summer drought cooperated in one of the great robberies in recent promotional history. The verdict of this contest cannot be disputed because it was all consensual and given all of the circumstances, on the up and up. But please make no error in what those who gave away 50 bucks witnessed. Floyd Mayweather began his comeback with a precise plan in mind which required the collaboration of Juan Manuel Marquez. All Marquez had to do was go into combat at 7 pounds heavier then he ever had prior with 36 seasons under his once brilliant belt and pray that his strength, speed and determination would follow him up the scale as well.
Mexican champions have a history of never saying never to history and with a payday that would provide for his family for life given his less than extravagant lifestyle, how could Juan say no to Floyd Mayweather, Jr.?
And so the stage was set for Floyd’s first fistic endeavor in almost two years. What we received for $49.99 was an expected exhibition bout. The handicaps which Marquez faced were far too many to overcome even in the land of Lost Wages, Nevada where the fabled hopes of an underdog live and thrive with each rising sun and every hand of poker.
For twelve uncontested stanzas Marquez was outgunned from every conceivable aspect of the game.
Mayweather landed an intense 58% of his onslaught as contrasted to Juan’s meager output of 12%. It was a one way street which never opened traffic in the opposite lane.
After a knockdown in the third, Juan appeared frustrated and lonely. He knew he had nothing in his arsenal to combat such fury. The look on his face between rounds was that of a man whose brain attempted to send messages to his weighed down, slower and older body. The flesh refused to execute the commands
After all was said and undone, Max Kellerman, HBO’s enthusiastic and savvy commentator proceeded with the after exhibition interview and attempted to quiz Floyd Jr. as to why he refused to meet the contracted weight of 144 (he stepped upon the scale at 146) and instead paid Marquez a penalty fee of 300,000 big ones for each extra pound. Upon refusing to address this violation, one which added to the already uphill battle for Juan Manuel to gain even a scintilla of equalization in the contest, Max then addressed the freeze-out of Shane Mosley in the Welterweight/Mayweather sweepstakes.
It was at this moment that Shane intruded upon Floyd’s commercial commentary time and that the real action of the night began. Words and fingers flew as Mosley attempted to stoke the flames of Mayweather’s pride and get him to fight a true Welterweight, possibly even at that moment, who at 38 probably has one or two great fights left in him. The tension mounted as Bernard Hopkins placed his comments into the argument. Max was caught right in the center of the storm as all potential combatants were separated. When Floyd still refused to address the questions at hand, Kellerman axed the interview.
Mayweather has no intention of fighting an actual Welterweight when he believes that he can feast on the lighter carcass of the current pound for pound champion, Manny The P.
And so we await the next physical debate which shall soon illuminate the Vegas sky on a brisk November night.
There is one thing for certain, Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao have no difficulties with hand to hand combat. A real zeal, spirit and equality exist between the two that makes this a very dangerous encounter.
They will take the kind of chances that Floyd Mayweather never would nor possibly could.
But as Bill Shakespeare said, ‘’Here is the rub.’’
I am personally tired of being asked to salvage boxing through 50 buck price tags which propose skills exhibited with little or no risk which translates to little chance of a competitive result.
As I was trying to concentrate on the lack of action being offered I could not help but think that these kinds of expensive ego exhibits are very bad for the sport which I have cherished for over four and a half decades.
Floyd Mayweather is a gifted prize fighter. He is the embodiment of the needed attributes which set certain pugilists above others; speed, a physical grace, an intuitive notation of defense and at times an aggression which can overwhelm an opponent to the point of reckless confusion. And yet he is about as entertaining to watch as wet paint drying on a Kentucky porch on a Sunday afternoon.
Even the much maligned Pernell Whitaker contained within his arsenal of arrogance a purity which made his contests a flow of expressive light. He was a painter.
Mayweather has no such brilliance. He has feasted upon easy prey throughout a very well programmed career. When push comes to shove by a man his own size, in a similar prime and with a skill level intelligent enough to negate his natural gifts, ‘Money’ will fold.
Mayweather is in serious financial difficulty. He must extend his career to the limit if he is going to be allowed to live the life of those whose wealth exceeds the grasp of most Americans. This appears to be his main objective in life. His purse from his September Saturday was licked up by the IRS, his prized automobile was repossessed and other lawsuits are piling up swiftly. He no longer even has his Guns N’ Ammo in case things get really desperate.
He appears to have studied at the 'Tyson School Of Fiscal Responsibility.'
When Mayweather told us on HBO’s 24/7 broadcast that ‘the difference between my **** and your **** is that mine is paid for’, we were asked once again to buy into the hypocritical oath that Floyd has taken.
I, for one, am through being taken hostage by a talent that refuses to take the same chances that made Ali, Duran, Haglar, Leonard, Hearns, Holmes, Chavez, Ray Robinson, Barney Ross, Henry Armstrong, Manny, Shane and so many others the brilliant artists that they each became. These were and are the Da Vincis of the sport. Floyd’s brush and canvas are hardly that colored with glory. He selects smaller opponents with an immunity that has become distasteful.
It is glory and danger and humility and devout courage and a nature of soulful, depth defining acts which create and compel the summoning of true greatness.
We live in a world where Pete Rose will never see a Hall Of Fame moment but where a Floyd Mayweather will be allowed entry into boxing’s version, with his guns blazing but his wealth of true ‘hustle’ in severe question should he continue to compete only against the ‘money’ players. The only hustle we see in Floyd today is his ability to command the highest purse for the smallest fistic argument. One could state that this may be his greatest attribute. In a sport that can deal a hand of life or death with each wave of a gloved fist it is actually a commendable trait. But not when one makes a career out of it.
It is now your call HBO. You made him. Now can you persuade him fight a credible opponent?

[TOMA BOXIMG]

To the writer of this article u r a ***** for following the crowd u bias prick and to

All the haters no matter what floyds does you will all always have an excuse or some other bull**** againts him. Floyd will whoop mannys ass and i know you all know that now after saturday. I agree catchweight s are bull**** but how come you dont criticise the midget pacman for doing it. Pacman s last 3 fight s have been bull**** and he had every advantage but i dont hear **** about it. The truth is the biggest threat to mayweather is cotto. Mosley is old and is not gonna look or perform good againts a fast resilient fighter. Hell i think evan berto has a chance of outboxing him. I respect diff opinions but i hate when people are bias. Give props where its due.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

the best thing for the sport of boxing is if pac loses and floyd is forced to fight real WWs like Cotto and Mosley.

I agree!!!!!!!

[TOMA BOXIMG]

Stranger in town u 2 r full of ****

I want to hear u cry when floyd beats pacman, mosley, cotto, and berto. The thing that amazes me is how this generation does not realize that it has a true all time great a man who had skills and talent and boxing smarts like no other. I guess there have been other men in history that were really appreciated and given there true place after their time.