Comments Thread For: Ruiz Open To Next Facing Wilder: We're Both In Same Organization, Haymon Can Make This Fight Happen

[Blackstarr]

Dominant wins over Helenius and Ruiz would reaffirm Wilder as era #3. Ruiz win over Wilder would make him #3.

Nope not even. To be number 3, Wilder will have to beat the guy rated above him by nearly every organisation/website with a ranking, including boxrec, and that’s AJ. Wilder would have a decent shot at doing so, but I’d back the man with far better boxing fundamentals and punch variety to land his bombs first.

[paulf]

Maybe. I have a feeling Haymon is aware Ruiz is vulnerable so they will cash him out sooner than later and better to cash him out against a fellow fighter from their promotion to maximize his value. If they put Ruiz in against someone else and he loses, they've essentially lost out on that investment.

Same with Ortiz. He was matched up against Martin to give one of them a springboard back into relevancy. While Ortiz prevailed, he looked very vulnerable so they cashed him out versus Ruiz.

Sure, but same applies to Wilder.

Ultimately, a Wilder-Ortiz PPV in the next year isn't going to do some insane number. It'll do just okay.

I think Haymon keeps his powder dry here. Lots of ways the heavyweight puzzle ends up in the next 6-12 months.

[PBR Streetgang]

Sure, but same applies to Wilder.

Ultimately, a Wilder-Ortiz PPV in the next year isn't going to do some insane number. It'll do just okay.

I think Haymon keeps his powder dry here. Lots of ways the heavyweight puzzle ends up in the next 6-12 months.

Fair point...I think the goal is to get Wilder another opportunity at a belt or big PPV.

Ruiz may not command a huge PPV but I'm not sure he's much of a threat to Wilder. Take away the AJ win and when has Ruiz really looked impressive?

If not Ruiz, I agree it will probably be a little bit of a waiting game by PBC and Wilder to see what the HW belt situation looks like in the next 6-9 months.

[DClefthook]

Wilder took “a little more damage” in the third fight..LOL on what planet does anyone find this to be true? Wilder scored 2 knockdowns yes, but these were flash knockdowns where Fury remained clear-eyed and focused on the ref the whole time, only staying down to give himself a breather. Wilder on the other hand suffered the kind of career shortening beat-down that very nearly retired him. He ended up face down on the canvas with his eyes swollen shut..come on man.

And Usyk isn’t tailor-made for ANY heavyweight..even Fury would have a tough time with him. Seriously, what makes you day that? Look at how Wilder’s fights were going against a vastly slower, older and less-skilled southpaw in Ortiz. For someone who has been outboxed in spots by even C-level fighters, Wilder would get absolutely embarrassed by Usyk. The chasm in boxing ability literally can’t be put into words.

If a "little more damage" is on another planet then it must be on the same planet as "flash knockdowns" because the fight I saw Fury got dropped as was given 12-13 seconds to get back on his feet. Flash knockdowns occur when a fighter gets dropped and immediately gets right back up. That didn't happen on either one of Fury's knockdowns, especially the second one. The hell fight were you watching? I was being sarcastic when I said "little more damage" c'mon son live a lil bit. Also you guys are giving are giving Usyk wayyy to much credit. He's had four fights at HW and zero knockouts...ZERO! He was having difficulty with Chaz Tablespoon until the fat factory worker ran out of gas and Usyk got the Tko. Chisora did exactly what he was supposed and fought like a HW and just bum rushed him but didn't have enough zip on his shots to get him out of there. He fought AJ the robot twice. The first fight AJ tried to emulate Devin Haney and fight like a LW and that didn't work. The 2nd fight he was more aggressive but again someone forgot to tell him he was 6'6 250 and he seemed reluctant to throw the big shot. He fights Wilder and will quickly find out that Wilder will show him zero respect and will walk right through his punches to land that right hand.

[VislorTurlough]

I see the Matchroom interns have new talking points. That the conquerer of Charles Martin, who then barely beat a semi retired senior Klitschko (who lost like 9 rounds to Fury and not once troubled him), and has now lost 3 fights in 3 years including being KTFO by the Michelin man. THAT guy is above #4 of his era? Fan fiction. Joshua resume is laughably mediocre. Molina, Brezeale, Takam, Parker, Pulev. 2 washed up former big names in Klit and Povetkin. Been a PR machine fueled by nationalism little brother syndrome UK press. Party is over. It’s midnight and Joshua is a pumpkin. He’s John Ruiz. Compare resumes. Matches up perfect

[Blackstarr]

I see the Matchroom interns have new talking points. That the conquerer of Charles Martin, who then barely beat a semi retired senior Klitschko (who lost like 9 rounds to Fury and not once troubled him), and has now lost 3 fights in 3 years including being KTFO by the Michelin man. THAT guy is above #4 of his era? Fan fiction. Joshua resume is laughably mediocre. Molina, Brezeale, Takam, Parker, Pulev. 2 washed up former big names in Klit and Povetkin. Been a PR machine fueled by nationalism little brother syndrome UK press. Party is over. It’s midnight and Joshua is a pumpkin. He’s John Ruiz. Compare resumes. Matches up perfect

Now go ahead and critique Wilder’s top-10 victories so we can accurately compare please.

[Blackstarr]

If a "little more damage" is on another planet then it must be on the same planet as "flash knockdowns" because the fight I saw Fury got dropped as was given 12-13 seconds to get back on his feet. Flash knockdowns occur when a fighter gets dropped and immediately gets right back up. That didn't happen on either one of Fury's knockdowns, especially the second one. The hell fight were you watching? I was being sarcastic when I said "little more damage" c'mon son live a lil bit. Also you guys are giving are giving Usyk wayyy to much credit. He's had four fights at HW and zero knockouts...ZERO! He was having difficulty with Chaz Tablespoon until the fat factory worker ran out of gas and Usyk got the Tko. Chisora did exactly what he was supposed and fought like a HW and just bum rushed him but didn't have enough zip on his shots to get him out of there. He fought AJ the robot twice. The first fight AJ tried to emulate Devin Haney and fight like a LW and that didn't work. The 2nd fight he was more aggressive but again someone forgot to tell him he was 6'6 250 and he seemed reluctant to throw the big shot. He fights Wilder and will quickly find out that Wilder will show him zero respect and will walk right through his punches to land that right hand.

Point taken. “Flash knockdown” was the wrong phrase - I was simply trying to emphasise that Fury didn’t look noticeably hurt with either knockdown. You’re talking like knockouts are the only way to win..what point are you making exactly? Did Mayweather’s lack of knockouts as he went up in weight make him any less of a fighter?

You say I give Usyk too much credit, a man that was undisputed at CW, before acclimatising himself at HW and then dominating a world-class unified champion far bigger and powerful than himself. Yet in reality, you’re the one giving Wilder too much credit for doing what in his career exactly? Beating just one well-rated, but ageing fighter in 40+ fights, and scoring knockdowns against Fury on the way to being beaten half to death?

And when have you ever seen Wilder walk down any fighter and impose his will on them? His stamina is no better than AJ’s and his typical approach is low-output and telegraphed right hands, while getting outboxed, until one of them eventually lands. We’ll have to agree to disagree, but to me this just isn’t going to wash in the ring with Usyk.

[greeneye99]

I see the Matchroom interns have new talking points. That the conquerer of Charles Martin, who then barely beat a semi retired senior Klitschko (who lost like 9 rounds to Fury and not once troubled him), and has now lost 3 fights in 3 years including being KTFO by the Michelin man. THAT guy is above #4 of his era? Fan fiction. Joshua resume is laughably mediocre. Molina, Brezeale, Takam, Parker, Pulev. 2 washed up former big names in Klit and Povetkin. Been a PR machine fueled by nationalism little brother syndrome UK press. Party is over. It’s midnight and Joshua is a pumpkin. He’s John Ruiz. Compare resumes. Matches up perfect

Don't be Biased
Where's the Deontay Wilder Resume comparisons?
List the last 7 guys Wilder boxed liked you did with AJ
Be Fair
If AJ resume is "laughably mediocre"
Please tell us what You call Wilder's resume
I'll wait.......

[daggum]

I see the Matchroom interns have new talking points. That the conquerer of Charles Martin, who then barely beat a semi retired senior Klitschko (who lost like 9 rounds to Fury and not once troubled him), and has now lost 3 fights in 3 years including being KTFO by the Michelin man. THAT guy is above #4 of his era? Fan fiction. Joshua resume is laughably mediocre. Molina, Brezeale, Takam, Parker, Pulev. 2 washed up former big names in Klit and Povetkin. Been a PR machine fueled by nationalism little brother syndrome UK press. Party is over. It’s midnight and Joshua is a pumpkin. He’s John Ruiz. Compare resumes. Matches up perfect

joshua was overrated from a skill set point of view as he never had elite talent but he was a good solid fighter who fought all the best fighters of his era or tried to. look at the top 5 from 2015(joshuas emergence as a contender) till now: fury, klitschko, povetkin, wilder, pulev, ortiz, parker, whyte, ruiz, usyk. fought 7 out of the 10 guys who entered the top 5. for reference wilder has only fought 2 out of 10. and we know joshua tried to fight wilder and ortiz, and even a fury fight was in the works or still might be. he didnt win them all but we know his level. good solid fighter who was just a notch below the true elites. joshua definitely could have milked his fame and stardom by picking easier fights tank davis style. he actually took challenges and as it turned out he wasnt a truly great fighter. fury is the only great fighter of this era and we will see with usyk but i dont see how you can criticize his resume? its the best of the last 7 plus years by far

[VislorTurlough]

2 time HW belt holder John Ruiz. W & D vs ATG Evander Holyfield. W’s over former undisputed HW champ Hasim Rahman. #1 contenders Kirk Johnson, Fres Oquendo, Jameel McCline, Andrew Golota. Think about it.