POLL: Lightweight Kings—Who beats who?

[Shadoww702]

U listed of course

[Shadoww702]

I think Haney beats em all at this point.

He's too big for Tank, too elusive for Garcia, and too young and quick for Loma at this stage of his career.

Haney's the king of the division.

Teo was the only threat to him around that division

I would take those bets all day everyday....

[Cypocryphy]

Right now Loma is a stylistic nightmare for Haney. I do think he beats Haney. As far as the rest of the group I think there are other guys who may come up from the rear and suprise us all... IMO Isaac Cruz is that dark horse here. Cruz is the only real pressure fighter in the group. I think he beat Tank... More to the point I think a pressure guy is a direct contra indication for a boxer puncher who wants to fight in the center of the ring. At this point I would put Cruz and Haney as the two front runners... they are the youngest, most willing to fight anyone, and seem to have developed the most chops as compared to the others: Loma would probably lose to Cruz though.

Tank potshots.
Ryan is fragile
Lopez is the first guy to get his man strength and move up in weight... he looked good not great imo.

havent seen Shakir enough...

Totally agree. And because Loma is a real threat to Haney, he's going to say he can't fight him. I think if he does that, there's going to be some serious blowback, especially when Haney ducking a P4P fighter in his weight class after complaining about not being on the P4P lists AND because his father and him continue to **** talk Loma. How can you continue to **** talk Loma when you're not planning on fighting him? It's really bad.

Cruz is an excellent fighter. I had him beating Tank when they last fought by a round or two. I would have been okay with a draw but not a Tank win. I think Cruz would be extremely problematic for Haney. I think Cruz would likely pull an upset just because of his awkwardness and style. Haney has never fought a guy like that before, I'm sure. With Cruz and Loma, I still think Loma beats Cruz. The more aggressive they are, the easier it is for Loma. He'd just get pieced up really badly. I'm pretty confident in that. Cruz wouldn't be able to handle the angles. I would pick Loma to KO Cruz mid to late fight.

I think Haney is very talented, but I don't think he's as skilled as many believe. Why? Because right now he's winning on athleticism and his size. Because he has no power at 135, it's just going to get worse for him as he moves up. Can you imagine Haney fighting at 147? Against guys like Crawford or Spence? lol Haney would be murdered. That hug and clinch BS he does won't work when you have guys your same size or even bigger than you.

Anyway, I'm hoping some of these questions are answered beginning of next year.

[Shadoww702]

He has ZERO power!!!!! And has to punch, hold at those weight??? Nahhh

He is good but beats none of them unless he has the right ref.

[Cypocryphy]

I think all beats him. He has 0 power.

lol I know man. It's going to be bad when he moves up in weight. He should be KOing everyone at lightweight with his size. The fact that once he started fighting B level and B+ level opponents without getting KOs is tragic because, when he moves up in weight, it's going to be so much worse for him. Right now he's using his reach and size advantage. Once that's taken away from him or he's actually fighting bigger guys than himself (which he's never done!!!), what then?

[Mammoth]

Who beats who? Haney is in every poll option. Why no Ryan beats Tank or Tank beats Loma or Loma beats Ryan options?

[MONGOOSE66]

Yeah. We'll making a multiple choice poll without assumptions is a bit difficult. What assumptions do you believe are involved with these choices?

I cant fix why it’s not obvious to you.

[billeau2]

Totally agree. And because Loma is a real threat to Haney, he's going to say he can't fight him. I think if he does that, there's going to be some serious blowback, especially when Haney ducking a P4P fighter in his weight class after complaining about not being on the P4P lists AND because his father and him continue to **** talk Loma. How can you continue to **** talk Loma when you're not planning on fighting him? It's really bad.

Cruz is an excellent fighter. I had him beating Tank when they last fought by a round or two. I would have been okay with a draw but not a Tank win. I think Cruz would be extremely problematic for Haney. I think Cruz would likely pull an upset just because of his awkwardness and style. Haney has never fought a guy like that before, I'm sure. With Cruz and Loma, I still think Loma beats Cruz. The more aggressive they are, the easier it is for Loma. He'd just get pieced up really badly. I'm pretty confident in that. Cruz wouldn't be able to handle the angles. I would pick Loma to KO Cruz mid to late fight.

I think Haney is very talented, but I don't think he's as skilled as many believe. Why? Because right now he's winning on athleticism and his size. Because he has no power at 135, it's just going to get worse for him as he moves up. Can you imagine Haney fighting at 147? Against guys like Crawford or Spence? lol Haney would be murdered. That hug and clinch BS he does won't work when you have guys your same size or even bigger than you.

Anyway, I'm hoping some of these questions are answered beginning of next year.

It would not suprise me if Loma prevailed against Cruz. To some degree Lopez used size to beat up Loma. He was able to catch that fight just when he was getting some of his man strength, but could stay in the weight without draining. The result was a big, strong physical guy that has skills. Cruz is not big for the weight, Loma would not have that issue to contend with. Also, if one watches the Ukranian G force lol, both usyk and Loma are closet physical fighters... they love to impose themselves on the opponent when they can do so... Classic examples would be: Usyk versus Michael Hunter and Loma versus Rigo. In both fights you see a different side of Loma and Usyk, but a side that does come out when nit can be a benefit. Cruz has the style and a lot going for him but he could not be the physical force that Lopez was against Loma. It would be a great fight. It would definitely be the angles of entry versus keeping Loma of balance with forward momentum.

Haney has a great jab and he is developing movement skills. He is a finesse guy and like all the gang... he will have to deal with moving up. These guys will get bigger physically, which is one reason I hasten to make predictions about how they will fair yet. 147 is a madly competative division... Its like the guys at that weight could play football (cornerback) with the size and speed they possess, and most human beings who are athletic come in around that weight give or take... No, it will take a few years IF they ever can make that jump and fight at that weight. And seldom do guys that make it not have a big punch, or culmulative attack of one sort, or another... Porter (activity) Garcia (left hook, counter punch), Spence, who has power and volume and... BUD lol.

[The D3vil]

There's only one way to find out, so I'm crossing my fingers that Loma and Haney fight first quarter of next year. And for the record, I have Loma beating Haney right now. His style is all wrong for Haney. If Haney can use his size and reach effectively, then maybe. I also believe that Shakur beats Haney. With Tank, I'm not so sure, but not because I think Tank doesn't have the skills but because, like you, I think Tank is too small and doesn't have the footwork that Loma has to close the distance. However, he does have the athleticism and explosiveness. He's capable of stopping Haney.

I'll never count Loma out, but his fights against Linares & Lopez show me that 135 is his limit and he's not at his best at this weight and he's older and he's been fighting in the war in Ukraine.

However, if he's at his absolute peak form, he can beat anybody.

[Cypocryphy]

I'll never count Loma out, but his fights against Linares & Lopez show me that 135 is his limit and he's not at his best at this weight and he's older and he's been fighting in the war in Ukraine.

However, if he's at his absolute peak form, he can beat anybody.

Yeah. I'm actually suspending my judgment until I see him fight Ortiz this October. You never know if there's been decline. Based on how he performs, I'll be able to tell whether he has a good chance of beating Haney or Haney has a good chance of beating him. And yes, the Lopez fight did show what a size difference can do. Lopez looked huge compared to Loma, when they were in the ring. I do believe that Loma's shoulder was messed up, but I also know that had it been someone without the skills of Lopez, his size, power and speed, Loma would have won, despite the shoulder. Lopez's talents and size cause Loma a lot of problems. At least, in the beginning of the fight. The last half of that fight was a different story. But Lopez stalled Loma from getting going.

As far as Linares is concerned, I can't really use that as an example because that's the fight where his shoulder problems began. He dislocated it in the second round. Plus, it was his first fight at that weight. And Linares was still in his prime, having had a 14 fight win streak after leaving Roach. So I can't be too critical there.