Comments Thread For: Arum: I Look Forward To Matching Haney-Kambosos Winner With Lomachenko

[Bronx2245]

He’s gotta move up. He’s still campaigning at 130

Move up for who? Arum is already trying to set Loma up for Haney vs. Kambo II winner, so who would Shakur fight, THAT WOULD BE A BIG DRAW! The only other person would be Tank, and we know Floyd and Bob don't work like that! Also Ryan Garcia already moving to 140! I would rather Shakur get the winner of Haney vs. Kambo II.

[TDLand]

Typical idiots who say Loma is the great white hope and goaded Haney to continue his racist rant, 'no white Boi will ever beat me in the ring' when asked about Loma, repeatedly parrot the narrative that Loma, for some God forsaken reason, ducked Haney.

The false narrative bandied about so easily with low IQ veracity is beyond ******. It's low level kindergarten 101 logic not with clarity but perverted bias, making it up, twisting events to some made belief truth. A Mando for Haney to fight Loma? When was the Mando ordered? It couldn't be before the fight for undisputed and never was ordered. Franchise was 100 percent about Loma and zero percent about Haney. So, Haney started baiting Loma in the media, saying, 'why don't you fight me first, constantly chirping'. Haney didn't need to do that if Hearns would but just get the Mando ordered. He couldn't and didn't. Loma had one goal, fight winner of Comey and Teo. Three belts and no Mando fights were ordered, because they couldn't. Loma never took Franchise to avoid Haney. The fight with Haney could not be ordered regardless. Loma said in the media he wants Teo and then Tank and then Haney, all before he fought Teo and lost. He wanted all the smoke. After Loma lost to Teo, Loma wanted to fight Haney, not Commey and not Nagatani, but Haney said fine, 'for 5 mill', disingenuousy pricing himself out on purpose. The guy will run from Loma. He will duck Loma. He will drop all four belts rather than take the loss. If he fights Loma, Loma schools him. Guaranteed. He fought 13 champions in 15 fights. Haney would not be the best opponent on that list. Haney has reach, jab and shoulder roll and weak chin. Good luck against a superior boxer like Loma. Next you'll bring up Salido, Teo or Linares. Loma tore his rotator cuff in the 2nd round of the Linares fight and got knocked down in the 6th, but wasn't daized like Devon was in the 10th. Loma took out Linares in the 10th. He had a reinjury of same shoulder in Teo fight but did admirably where Teo was knocking out boxers left and right. Salido was a job, 45 low blows, not one point deducted. Salido came in overweight so shouldn't even have been fighting. 13 champions in 15 fights, 5 major belts in three divisions, while Haney was fighting guys with 0 and 0 records. C'mon, Loma is something Devon has never seen before. Devon is just another tune up for Loma, and after Loma dismantles him, you will be saying 'Yeah, but, he hasn't fought Tank yet, he hasn't fought Shakur yet, Haney was just another Ax man or another Rigo, a nobody'.

[Boro]

Giving up the belt is what made no sense

To fight an arguably more recognised, better fight doesn't make sense to you? get your head out of the clouds.

[Bronx23]

At 24 Loma was still fighting teenagers in the amateur's, unlike Haney who is the current undisputed unified champion at 135. Besides, didn't Loma lose to a 35 year old journeyman at the age of 26? Just saying...

Everything you said was completely irrelevant. Beating up on teenagers as a grown man does not prepare you for the pros. What they’ve done in their pro careers is what matters. Loma has done more in less fights. He’s fought stiffer competition in less fights, he’s beat more champions in less fights.

Haney had one of, if not the absolute easiest path to undisputed. He beat literally one champion. And I’m not even a Haney hater, these are just facts. Haneys gonna go on to do great things eventually. But I’m not gonna pretend that he and Loma are on the same level at this moment in time. Their resumes speak for themselves

[Cypocryphy]

The wba had a super champ in every divison. The wbc doesn't have a franchise champ in every divison. It was created for 2 ducks. It's a provable fact that Loma asked to be Franchise.

Loma vacated. Point blank period.

Who vacates when trying to be undisputed? Only a duck

He didn't vacate. He was stripped just as Canelo had been stripped and Juan Francisco Estrada. You see, you don't know what the hell you're even talking about man. icegif-3815.gif
There are THREE franchise belts right now. So what if they aren't in every division? The WBA Super Belt was initially awarded to special fighters and fights. I think the first guy to get it was RJJ, and no one else had it. (Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure.) Twenty years later, it's in every division, so maybe there will be a Franchise champ in almost every division. It was immediately made transferable too after initially being non-transferable.

Anyway, the point is that the relationship between Loma and Haney didn't change when he got the Franchise belt. Just like the interim belt holder, Haney still had to petition the WBC to fight Loma, and he never did that. It's just a fact. It's indisputable.

[TDLand]

Sanctioning body's rules: Mandatory challengers are forced to wait for a title shot if the champion pursues a unification bout with a champion of a different sanctioning body, as a unification fight supersedes a mandatory defense.

[TDLand]

Unifications do not, in practice, trump mandatories. Even just over the past few years we've seen mandatory obligations scupper possible unification bouts, especially if they're cross promotional. The boxing organizations don't particularly like giving up their sanctioning fees, especially WBC/WBA who love having as many "champions" pay them as possible. Loma has always been clear that his goal is undisputed. Teo had a belt at the time. Haney did not. And Loma also has specifically denied that he filed for franchise. We only have that line from Sulaiman, who isn't trustworthy by any stretch. Far more likely that he was offered it by Sulaiman and told "this means that you won't have to worry about a mandatory obligation interfering with unification" while WBC got the opportunity to have two "champions" paying them sanctioning fees.

Sanctioning body's rules: Mandatory challengers are forced to wait for a title shot if the champion pursues a unification bout with a champion of a different sanctioning body, as a unification fight supersedes a mandatory defense.

[TDLand]

At 24 Loma was still fighting teenagers in the amateur's, unlike Haney who is the current undisputed unified champion at 135. Besides, didn't Loma lose to a 35 year old journeyman at the age of 26? Just saying...

That's a fallacy. He was fighting fighters who never turned pro, which is common in Eastern Europe. And most fighters were around his age or older. You can go check out each of his 385 fights and get a reality check on your lies. Just pulling out excuses for fighters not honing their craft but turning pro early for the money grab. Plain and simple. No honor. Why didn't Haney try to win gold for his country. No honor. Why did he beg for the belt that they took from Loma when they awarded him Franchise?

Loma sacrificed and gave up 4 years of 'money' to go for a second Gold medal for his country. Would Haney do that for his country? Hell and the **** no. Why did Haney turn pro at 17? Because of money. It's the only motivation. Why run to 140? Because of the money. He'd take the loss to Loma and then his prospects dry up.

Why didn't Haney have to fight for the stripped belt? Loma and Campbell had to fight for Mickey's vacated belt. Oh, was it because they need to appease the black community from playing the race card game. 'Give Haney the belt, Loma got the chance to fight Campbell and Haney didn't.' As if these fights were never arranged for Mayweather because of the attraction to get a legendary fighter. Pandering to Haney's racist 'no white boi will ever beat me', referring to Loma when asked about Loma. White Hope? How about black privilege.
If Loma said 'no black boi gonna beat me in the ring', when asked about Haney, what would the response be? He'd a been stripped of his three belts and there would have been marches across America protesting his fights for the rest of his career. Thank you.

Why didn't Campbell get the belt? He was number one when he lost it to Loma. Haney wasn't number one.

What Loma did in fact was win two Gold Medals by the time he was 25. Very few in history pulled that off, with the best record in amateur boxing and fastest to three belts each in a different division in boxing. 7 fights to get to two and 12 to get to three. Five regular belts, not your micky mouse belts, in 15 fights, 3 at lightweight. He fought 13 champions in 15 fights. You want to compare records of opponents? Haney fought a bunch of 0 and 0 fighters, 0 and 2 fighters. Tank is worse by far.

Loma would school Haney. He would not be the top win on Loma's resume, that's why Haney is all talk that won't match in the choices he makes. He's already running from Loma. Because he doesn't want to lose the zero. He is a loser in life, esoterically, by taking that choice. Nothing anyone can say to change what it means at an esoteric level, soul level. He's failing his soul by cheating life. It don't matter if he maintains that zero if he avoids the best competition. It is all a shell game and flim flam. Why is Loma on the P4P list and Haney is not? Haney has 4 belts. Why is Loma ranked still on the P4P and Haney didn't crack it?

[TDLand]

Everything you said was completely irrelevant. Beating up on teenagers as a grown man does not prepare you for the pros. What they’ve done in their pro careers is what matters. Loma has done more in less fights. He’s fought stiffer competition in less fights, he’s beat more champions in less fights.

Haney had one of, if not the absolute easiest path to undisputed. He beat literally one champion. And I’m not even a Haney hater, these are just facts. Haneys gonna go on to do great things eventually. But I’m not gonna pretend that he and Loma are on the same level at this moment in time. Their resumes speak for themselves

At this point in time, Loma beats Haney and it would not be Loma's best opponent win on his resume. And the yappers would say, 'yeah Loma fought nobody's, Rigo, The Ax Man Walters, Haney', they'll add, 'he hasn't fought Shakur or Tank yet'. He's only asked for Tank for 8 years now. Shakur at least is the only honest one among the bunch, he is wanting to prove he's the best by fighting Loma now, when Loma doesn't have the belts. Who does that? Only a supremely talented and confident boxer. So kudos to Shakur and I call bs on the other two. Shoot Tank was knocking out 0 and 2 guys for the longest time. A zero loss record is meaningless in context of gladiators meeting in the ring as averse to meeting pop league fighters, who are wet behind the ear. Loma was going after one champion, to the next champion, to the next champion, to the next champion. Only when they threw in Crolla, he was pissed. That messed with his plans. But once he got the three belts, all that was left was undisputed and Teo wanted Loma and Loma wanted the last belt. A mando could not be ordered for Haney at that point. Sanctioning rules, not Loma's rules, not Haney's rules, not Teo's rules. The governing body's rules. But Loma heard the clamor and declared, after the Teo fight, assuming he wins, he wanted Tank and Haney all in the same year. Loma lost to Teo, hurt and giving up money to get the fight because he wanted that last belt so bad and risking a tweaked shoulder to insure the fight happened. Well he tore it in the 2nd round of the Teo fight and had to develop a different strategy. Conserve the shoulder and go for it later in the fight. His true talent, with one shoulder shot, came through in the last 6 rounds. Teo was a guy knocking out guys left and right. He couldn't KO a one armed Loma, who took over in the second half of the fight. A healthy Loma scares the **** out of Teo, regardless of what he says in the media. And it scares Haney even more. Haney will run. Actions speak louder than words. He will run like a scared rabbit. For good reason, 'no white boi will ever beat me', was bravado from a young man who doesn't really know what he's gotten himself into. And to save face he has to find a way out. Rather than beat the man who is legendary, he opts to win a flim flam historically check marked unified championship, by skipping the hard part (fighting for every belt like Loma did) and getting a cheezed opponent, and then run to the hills to fight the next easy opponent at 140. Loma would have beaten Kam too, would have knocked Kam out or Kam's corner would have thrown in the towel. Kam was a gladiator and he beat a Teo who was on his deathbed. That's the truth of it. Teo lost because of a medical reason. Point blank, everyone knows it.

Haney can pray to Allah and say Allah gave him this ideal situation to nab the belts off of a non-top fighter and then the opportunity to move away from the guy that would beat him. It's easy to self justify weakness as a Soul. When he dies his Soul will call him on it. For sure. Go out on your sword and fight the best and challenge yourself as a Soul or play play mickey mouse games and deceive the public, and even more rationalize it to deceive yourself. I fully expect Haney to run. It's written all over the cards. The cards of life, not the cards of boxing.

[Grandma Pleaser]

To fight an arguably more recognised, better fight doesn't make sense to you? get your head out of the clouds.

Seriously those people are so ******

Teo was coming off a ko over a credible opponent while hankey decisioned an oldass gamboa in an absolute borefest.