Comments Thread For: Benn: Thurman May As Well Retire; Can't Blame Him For Not Wanting To Fight

[Rodtang]

Eubank Jr. is defintely a money-maker, but I can't see him fighting below 154, so that's a big move for Benn if he wants to go back to 147. What would a win @ 154, do for Benn's situation @ 147? Avanesyan would help him more, but I don't think Eddie wants that? I know Love missed weight recently, that's why I think a fight with him, especially in the U.S., might be a better route?

The Eubank jr fight for Benn, is a massive payday. And it's a historical family legacy thing, which is why it sells. Other than that, it does nothing for Eubank jr. Does it do more for Benn? I'd say yes, although not directly for 147, but for his progress in general. Eubank jr will be a big step forward, in terms of competition level, as he's not a faded and jaded fighter from the past. So, he's stepping up to a live dog. Also, if he can handle a much bigger guy in Eubank jr, then he should be able to cope with the size of big WWs. So, if he ever fights Ennis or Ortiz jr for example, he'll be much better prepared. Then, it wouldn't be about size, but just wether he was good enough. But it's still a massive risk imo, which is why I'm not in favour of it. Risk, in an evenly matched contest is fine, but not when your seriously disadvantaging yourself and could potentially get hurt. You only have to look at Chris snr Vs Michael Watson. Does Benn want to be this generations example of that? Maybe I'm being too negative, but you never know. I'm guessing they feel a win gives them much to gain, but a defeat can be recovered from as it's not at 147, and they can carry on at 147 from where they left off, regardless of the result. Love probably could compete at 147, but he is intending to stay at 140 and it was just unprofessionalism that caused that. And he hasn't the status or respect yet for it to be seen as a big scalp for Benn. I like the Avanesyan fight, although I think he's overrated. But most people on here seem to to think he's worthy, so if Benn beat him it'd shut a few people up lol. But your right, they don't want it. And part of Benn's comments about saying that Ramirez and Thurman and fighters in general are not scared, was also his way of saying he's also in that category, as he's continually accused of this, especially where Avanesyan is concerned, at least from certain sections of fans and posters.

[Bronx2245]

The Eubank jr fight for Benn, is a massive payday. And it's a historical family legacy thing, which is why it sells. Other than that, it does nothing for Eubank jr. Does it do more for Benn? I'd say yes, although not directly for 147, but for his progress in general. Eubank jr will be a big step forward, in terms of competition level, as he's not a faded and jaded fighter from the past. So, he's stepping up to a live dog. Also, if he can handle a much bigger guy in Eubank jr, then he should be able to cope with the size of big WWs. So, if he ever fights Ennis or Ortiz jr for example, he'll be much better prepared. Then, it wouldn't be about size, but just wether he was good enough. But it's still a massive risk imo, which is why I'm not in favour of it. Risk, in an evenly matched contest is fine, but not when your seriously disadvantaging yourself and could potentially get hurt. You only have to look at Chris snr Vs Michael Watson. Does Benn want to be this generations example of that? Maybe I'm being too negative, but you never know. I'm guessing they feel a win gives them much to gain, but a defeat can be recovered from as it's not at 147, and they can carry on at 147 from where they left off, regardless of the result. Love probably could compete at 147, but he is intending to stay at 140 and it was just unprofessionalism that caused that. And he hasn't the status or respect yet for it to be seen as a big scalp for Benn. I like the Avanesyan fight, although I think he's overrated. But most people on here seem to to think he's worthy, so if Benn beat him it'd shut a few people up lol. But your right, they don't want it. And part of Benn's comments about saying that Ramirez and Thurman and fighters in general are not scared, was also his way of saying he's also in that category, as he's continually accused of this, especially where Avanesyan is concerned, at least from certain sections of fans and posters.

I think Hearn's strategy is misguided! He should be trying to move Benn through the rankings, and Avanesyan is the road to a title fight! Plus, Avanesyan is willing to fight him too! Additionally, Benn could become EBU Champion, which I think would help him get the WBC to order a title eliminator, possibly Thurman, or Ortiz Jr.! It's crazy that Ortiz Jr. and Benn fight on DAZN, and that fight hasn't even been mentioned!

[kiaba360]

Good question! I think if Benn were to beat Avanesyan, he would get a title eliminator from the WBC!

Benn/Avanesyan not happening is due to pettiness: Hearn doesn't want to help Warren because he feels slighted for past experiences, and the cycle continues. If Boxing made sense, the companies would come to a bartering agreement and both Benn/Ava and Buatsi/Yarde would get made this year.

[kiaba360]

The Eubank jr fight for Benn, is a massive payday. And it's a historical family legacy thing, which is why it sells. Other than that, it does nothing for Eubank jr. Does it do more for Benn? I'd say yes, although not directly for 147, but for his progress in general. Eubank jr will be a big step forward, in terms of competition level, as he's not a faded and jaded fighter from the past. So, he's stepping up to a live dog. Also, if he can handle a much bigger guy in Eubank jr, then he should be able to cope with the size of big WWs. So, if he ever fights Ennis or Ortiz jr for example, he'll be much better prepared. Then, it wouldn't be about size, but just wether he was good enough. But it's still a massive risk imo, which is why I'm not in favour of it. Risk, in an evenly matched contest is fine, but not when your seriously disadvantaging yourself and could potentially get hurt. You only have to look at Chris snr Vs Michael Watson. Does Benn want to be this generations example of that? Maybe I'm being too negative, but you never know. I'm guessing they feel a win gives them much to gain, but a defeat can be recovered from as it's not at 147, and they can carry on at 147 from where they left off, regardless of the result. Love probably could compete at 147, but he is intending to stay at 140 and it was just unprofessionalism that caused that. And he hasn't the status or respect yet for it to be seen as a big scalp for Benn. I like the Avanesyan fight, although I think he's overrated. But most people on here seem to to think he's worthy, so if Benn beat him it'd shut a few people up lol. But your right, they don't want it. And part of Benn's comments about saying that Ramirez and Thurman and fighters in general are not scared, was also his way of saying he's also in that category, as he's continually accused of this, especially where Avanesyan is concerned, at least from certain sections of fans and posters.

...and to a lesser degree: Brook's eye injury against GGG completely altered his career. Matchroom finds themselves in a similar scenario.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Oh right, didn’t know about that. That obviously hurts my assertion.

Point is, sometimes fear DOES play in. We can't ever say that fighters are straight brave.

Michael Spinks was SCARED to fight Tyson. Even he said so.

Said Lawal was clearly SCARED to be fighting Naseem Hamed.

Bermane Stiverne was clearly SCARED to be fighting Wilder in the second fight, after he got dropped the first time. Wilder drops his hands and just stares st him, and Stiverne looked like he knew he was close to being a "body on the record".

On and on. Just saying.

So a fighter calling it out, what should happen is the other guy SHOULD get angry enough to prove them wrong and erase the fear come fight night (like Buster Douglas).

[Rodtang]

...and to a lesser degree: Brook's eye injury against GGG completely altered his career. Matchroom finds themselves in a similar scenario.

Yeah that too.

[Rodtang]

I think Hearn's strategy is misguided! He should be trying to move Benn through the rankings, and Avanesyan is the road to a title fight! Plus, Avanesyan is willing to fight him too! Additionally, Benn could become EBU Champion, which I think would help him get the WBC to order a title eliminator, possibly Thurman, or Ortiz Jr.! It's crazy that Ortiz Jr. and Benn fight on DAZN, and that fight hasn't even been mentioned!

Once the belts get vacated, Benn is virtually guaranteed a title shot anyway. Just like Ennis, Ortiz jr and Thurman. And also Taylor and Stanionis. Those six will be involved in the four fights that will ensue from a reset. An Avanesyan fight is good and I'm up for it, but it's not the be all and end all. But if you're struggling to bag a good name, then why not? They just don't want to bow to the critics. You see, if Benn's fanbase was all over an Avanesyan fight, then it would happen. But the people shouting for it, are predominantly the ones who want to see him fail. So why give to them what they want? But I think Benn beats Avanesyan, and I'd like to see him KO him and shut those people up. The thing is though, once you do that, they then start to say Avanesyan was nothing special anyway, and then find a new target that Benn will suddenly be scared of. So you really can't win. But it's a makeable if less marketable fight and I like it.

[Bronx2245]

Once the belts get vacated, Benn is virtually guaranteed a title shot anyway. Just like Ennis, Ortiz jr and Thurman. And also Taylor and Stanionis. Those six will be involved in the four fights that will ensue from a reset. An Avanesyan fight is good and I'm up for it, but it's not the be all and end all. But if you're struggling to bag a good name, then why not? They just don't want to bow to the critics. You see, if Benn's fanbase was all over an Avanesyan fight, then it would happen. But the people shouting for it, are predominantly the ones who want to see him fail. So why give to them what they want? But I think Benn beats Avanesyan, and I'd like to see him KO him and shut those people up. The thing is though, once you do that, they then start to say Avanesyan was nothing special anyway, and then find a new target that Benn will suddenly be scared of. So you really can't win. But it's a makeable if less marketable fight and I like it.

And less risk of becoming Kell Brook 2.0! Who put Brook in there with GGG? Oh yeah, Eddie Hearn!

[maguirre]

Nobody knows when this division is going to go back to its illustrious state. I used to mainly follow this division. Maybe because the up-and-comers fight each other. Nowadays they all wait for handouts. These clowns want nothing to do with each other. They all have their own individual paths fighting bums after another. Everyone should be disgusted.

[Bronx2245]

Benn/Avanesyan not happening is due to pettiness: Hearn doesn't want to help Warren because he feels slighted for past experiences, and the cycle continues. If Boxing made sense, the companies would come to a bartering agreement and both Benn/Ava and Buatsi/Yarde would get made this year.

That's why I laugh when Hearn can't get Charlo or Thurman, because he wants to deny Zurdo and Avenesyan! GBP and MatchRoom should working together to build DAZN, rather than begging for co-platform fights! Why beg Thurman and Beterbiev, when Vergil Ortiz Jr., and Zurdo fight on the same platform?